Kamala vs the Orange Felon - Presidential Race 2024 - Polls, News, Etc...

NWRMidnight · Nov 7, 2024

JD50 said:
Yep, I'm in Maryland so me and my family (LGTBQ kid) are pretty much safe. I'm solidly upper middle class so those tax cuts should put more money in my pocket. As a bonus I live on the Eastern Shore in MAGA country so I'll get to see those a-holes suffer first hand.

Are you pretty much safe? What are you going to do when Trump moves from "cleansing" the of immgrants, on to "cleansing" the US of LGTBQ? If Trump does goes after immigrants as he says he will, do you really think it will stop there? Is your kid going to be safe? I am not trying to fear monger, but people have to realize that this may only be the beginning. Nobody is even talking anymore about his threat to send the military into blue cities to "control" crime.. Pretty much setting it up for those areas to become a police state. There are so many ways that the future can go, that will not be good for anyone in any state. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst. Don't be complaciant and think it won't or can't happen. At this moment, the future looks Pretty dark for this country.

GoPackGo · Nov 7, 2024

The question is how long before it's President Vance?

manly · Nov 7, 2024

Muse said:
I didn't say it was just rhetoric, but actual implementation of mass deportations isn't gonna happen with a wave of his hand. He hasn't been good at doing things he said he was going to do in his first term. Now, a depleted version of who he was then, how good is he going to be at following through? His ACA replacement never got beyond a "concept." His wall paid by Mexico or whoever was a cornerstone at best. His infrastructure nonexistent. He did next to nothing. Did a bit of globe trotting shaking hands with dictators. Played golf. Visited his resorts. You anticipate he's going to get a bunch of things done he said he will do? All of it? HAHAHA

Good luck with that optimism.

Sounds a lot like your election prediction from 5 days ago.

Obviously a lot of bullshit has to go down for Trump 2.0 to set up camps and deport millions of people. You asserted that he used the migrant problem simply to win an election, that was your claim. And our retort is don't be so sure of that. He's been a racist his entire adult life (which means he was raised that way). He's not gonna magically become an anti-racist at age 78.

Nobody said he'll implement all of his agenda, so why are you setting up straw men??

K1052 · Nov 7, 2024

Muse said:
If he follows through on those in a big way his popularity will plummet. We know that. He won't like that. The one easier to not follow through on is the deportations, at least at the scale he said he'd do it.

It's not like he's gonna be worried about re-election.

Indus · Nov 7, 2024

Interesting list of 93 promises

https://meidasnews.com/video/trumps-93-campaign-promises

Muse · Nov 7, 2024

manly said:
Good luck with that optimism.

Sounds a lot like your election prediction from 5 days ago.

Obviously a lot of bullshit has to go down for Trump 2.0 to set up camps and deport millions of people. You asserted that he used the migrant problem simply to win an election, that was your claim. And our retort is don't be so sure of that. He's been a racist his entire adult life (which means he was raised that way). He's not gonna magically become an anti-racist at age 78.

Nobody said he'll implement all of his agenda, so why are you setting up straw men??

He at least claims he isn't a racist. He says he's done blacks better than anybody, loves Latinos, blah. He uses rhetoric to rile people using racism. TBH, I don't listen to him much, I hate his guts and seeth at his rhetoric. The sight of him offends me. I hate the sound of his voice. I see some of his posts on TV, etc. They infuriate me too. To say the least I don't go out of my way to see what he's doing but it's unavoidable to some extent if you want to know what's up with politics, nationally.

I mean, come on, after he got almost nothing done term 1, you expect he'll follow through on everything he said he'd do in term 2? I'm not saying he won't, but it would only be if people are really leaning on him. Who? The Heritage Foundation? What do they have on him to make him follow through on Project 2025? He's said he doesn't know anything about it. Has he said anywhere that's going to be his playbook?

He's got his Get Out of Jail Free card now, that was the main reason he was running. What will happen now? I don't know. But there's nothing I expect to happen. Except maybe tariffs. But to what extent I don't know.

K1052 · Nov 7, 2024

Muse said:
I mean, come on, after he got almost nothing done term 1, you expect he'll follow through on everything he said he'd do in term 2? I'm not saying he won't, but it would only be if people are really leaning on him. Who? The Heritage Foundation? What do they have on him to make him follow through on Project 2025. He's said he doesn't know anything about it. Has he said anywhere that's going to be his playbook?

I would like to submit the dual ideas that Trump agrees/wants the plan and that Trump sometimes lies to people.

ch33zw1z · Nov 7, 2024

Indus said:
Interesting list of 93 promises

https://meidasnews.com/video/trumps-93-campaign-promises

That’s a hefty spending list without massive cuts.

manly · Nov 7, 2024

Like I said, good luck with that optimism.

Pointless to debate with you when you just set up straw men (NOBODY said he will do everything he promised). You're flat out saying you don't expect him to do anything nefarious.

I mean it's fucking hilarious that you say you can hardly stand listening to the guy, but you're taking him for his word that he has no association with Project 2025?

Somebody sell this man a bridge!

ch33zw1z said:
That’s a hefty spending list without massive cuts.

Elon has promised trillions in savings!

Muse · Nov 7, 2024

K1052 said:
It's not like he's gonna be worried about re-election.

No, but what will his motivation be? Will he get off on deporting illegal immigrants? My impression is he pretends a lot. He doesn't have a center. I could be wrong. I don't know how this will go, absolutely not.

And the reelection thing? I wasn't worried about it either, but a whole lot of people posting in this thread evidently believe he's gonna be president beyond Jan. 20, 2029. I am not one of them, but to make that happen it won't benefit him to be extremely unpopular in the USA.

Muse · Nov 7, 2024

manly said:
Like I said, good luck with that optimism.

Pointless to debate with you when you just set up straw men (NOBODY said he will do everything he promised). You're flat out saying you don't expect him to do anything nefarious.

I mean it's fucking hilarious that you say you can hardly stand listening to the guy, but you're taking him for his word that he has no association with Project 2025?

Somebody sell this man a bridge!

Elon has promised trillions in savings!

You are misinterpreting what I said, which is disingenuous. I have no expectations, that doesn't mean I expect him not to do nefarious things. I'm sure he will, but I don't know what for sure. I predicted that he would make 3 or 4 giant mistakes his first term. That pretty much happened.

I'm saying it would be surprising if he did a lot of what he said he'd do in term 2 after doing little he said he'd do in term 1. Simple logic. It's not optimism, it's just not total pessimism.

I'm not taking him at his word that he has no association with Project 25, but I have seen or heard nothing suggesting that he's committed to it.

You're flat out saying you don't expect him to do anything nefarious.

That's just bullshit. Your antagonistic attitude is offensive.

K1052 · Nov 7, 2024

Muse said:
No, but what will his motivation be? Will he get off on deporting illegal immigrants? My impression is he pretends a lot. He doesn't have a center. I could be wrong. I don't know how this will go, absolutely not.

Uh being a lifelong racist with a fetish for cruelty and violence?

MrSquished · Nov 7, 2024

Anybody trying to dissect what the Dems did wrong to lose this election regarding Kamala and her campaign, that don't bring up the huge right wing medisaphere that exists, along with a mainstream media that has mostly both-sidesed and sanewashed Trump, while not telling the truth about things like the Bidenflation narrative that was a Global inflation narrative, etc...You'll never figure shit out if you don't factor that into the equation. It's a massive part of the reason.

If you do want to mostly blame the Dems then this is the biggest thing to slam them for - the reality is the Dems should have pushed Joe Biden out to keep his word as a transitionary president and we could have had a primary. I think Kamala did a very good job overall - but America is not ready for a minority female president, period. But she was the only correct choice after Biden dropped out. But with the way things played out in this election with the cards we were given, you have to talk about the media.

I yelled and screamed, like some others, that Biden running again was a terrible mistake and we had to have a primary. But we all got steamrolled, just like Biden steamrolled over the best shot the Dems had to defeat Trump - a competitive primary.

Muse · Nov 7, 2024

K1052 said:
Uh being a lifelong racist with a fetish for cruelty and violence?

You can say that about a great big chunk of the American populace. Could happen, but making it happen with mass deportations is a big project. There are those who would cheer it on but a lot of people who would find it deplorable and fight back. In CA there are sanctuary cities.

I sure hope it doesn't happen.

K1052 · Nov 7, 2024

Muse said:
You can say that about a great big chunk of the American populace. Could happen, but making it happen with mass deportations is a big project. I sure hope it doesn't happen.

It's not like he has to personally do it.

Muse · Nov 7, 2024

K1052 said:
It's not like he has to personally do it.

Maybe. So, just appoint some sadist and sit back?

IronWing · Nov 7, 2024

Muse said:
Maybe. So, just appoint some sadist and sit back?

That's what he did with Jeff Sessions.

nakedfrog · Nov 7, 2024

Muse said:
He at least claims he isn't a racist. He says he's done blacks better than anybody, loves Latinos, blah. He uses rhetoric to rile people using racism. TBH, I don't listen to him much, I hate his guts and seeth at his rhetoric. The sight of him offends me. I hate the sound of his voice. I see some of his posts on TV, etc. They infuriate me too. To say the least I don't go out of my way to see what he's doing but it's unavoidable to some extent if you want to know what's up with politics, nationally.

I mean, come on, after he got almost nothing done term 1, you expect he'll follow through on everything he said he'd do in term 2? I'm not saying he won't, but it would only be if people are really leaning on him. Who? The Heritage Foundation? What do they have on him to make him follow through on Project 2025? He's said he doesn't know anything about it. Has he said anywhere that's going to be his playbook?

He's got his Get Out of Jail Free card now, that was the main reason he was running. What will happen now? I don't know. But there's nothing I expect to happen. Except maybe tariffs. But to what extent I don't know.

So, simple things to remember: the only thing Trump cares about is Trump. He doesn't write legislation, the GOP Senate & House members do that, they put it on his desk, he signs it. If it's illegal, they judge shop, or depend on Heritage Foundation-supplied civil workers to act in accordance with the GOP's wishes.
They were unprepared when he got into office last time, and they spent years planning how to enact their will upon the country if he made it back in. I have no idea how much of it they'll accomplish, but they will most certainly be trying. It's not Trump himself you need to worry about, it's the Christian Dominionists/Nationalists. They very much want to have their own Christian flavor of the Taliban instituted here.

Jaskalas · Nov 7, 2024

biostud said:
So with what you know now, would you have preferred Trump to stay in office?

Ukraine would have been betrayed and isolated from day 1 of the war.
So no, tripping MAGA was a better outcome. Gave Europe time to wake up, if they can.
The post-war peace is over, the killing fields of Europe need a European army to stop it.

Jaskalas · Nov 7, 2024

IronWing said:
That's what he did with Jeff Sessions.

Hillary was not jailed for life for her "crimes".
Sessions was a good old boy who valued peace and stability.
Next AG will be out for blood.

ivwshane · Nov 7, 2024

Trump won because social media has rotted the brains of millions of Americans (and around the world). No messaging can counter that and no ground campaign can compete with it.

Until social media goes away, things will only get worse.

Tell me how Congress can regulate it without violating the 1st amendment and we can figure out when things will change.

Fanatical Meat · Nov 7, 2024

GoPackGo said:
The question is how long before it's President Vance?

Yeah I think the guy is competent enough to usurp Trump using whatever amendment that says if the president is deemed incompetent….

kage69 · Nov 7, 2024

repoman0 said:
Yep. I’m finding it pretty easy to go into FYGM mode with how broad a coalition of people voted for him. He’ll be great for me personally, judging by my brokerage accounts so far, and in MA we’ll be insulated from most of the federal BS. So, fuck it. Give the people what they want, although I think large majorities of them are in for a surprise.

More or less where I'm at today, perspective wise. Also lucky enough to be in a free state. Honestly glad I don't have daughters, I think this sad outcome for America would hit even harder if I did. Not just the second class status repugs want for women, but seeing America go with an unfit convicted felon, rapist, insurrectionist and traitor over an extremely qualified woman and without even a destroyed economy or military loss being involved. Just, wow.

The Fuckening 2.0 is upon us, and those who voted for it need to be reminded that elections have consequences.

It's not just Trump's incoming damage to national security, our economy, our institutions and the rule of law that disturbs me. Traitor Trump staining the Oval Office once again means the ongoing genocides against Ukrainians and Palestinians will both likely shift into high gear. And this will only embolden Xi, who wants nothing more than to run a purge on Taiwan.

kage69 · Nov 7, 2024

Muse said:
Maybe. So, just appoint some sadist and sit back?

He put Betsy DeVos in charge of Education.

He put Amy Barret on the SCOTUS.

He made Scott Pruit, climate change denier, head of the EPA!

He wants to put Herschel fucking Walker in command of the US Missile Shield - not a joke.

In 2016 he was asking Putin who he should have in his admin FFS

I guess I don't understand your skepticism regarding Il Douche's appointment history

nakedfrog · Nov 7, 2024

ivwshane said:
Trump won because social media has rotted the brains of millions of Americans (and around the world). No messaging can counter that and no ground campaign can compete with it.

Until social media goes away, things will only get worse.

Tell me how Congress can regulate it without violating the 1st amendment and we can figure out when things will change.

Can we remember that the NRA acted as a foreign asset for Russia in 2016 and that they've been leveraging social media to sow division at least that long? Prominent right-wing influencers having been recently revealed to be on their payroll, and that's only the ones we explicitly know about at this time.

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