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trenchfoot

Lifer
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I've been shooting since I was 17 and only do so for fun not out of any cosplay shit. Of course if the military shows up people are f'd. Average Trumpist mob on the other hand intent on doing harm to me or my family is however definitely getting ventilated.

Hate to say it me being a liberal and all, but I second that emotion with a tight three shot group dotting every "i" in my post, for effect of course.
 

dank69

Lifer
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I never said this was like everything else. I said I am not getting wound up over something I cannot control. At this point I cannot control Trump getting inaugurated come January of next year.

Remember- Mid-terms are less than 2-years away. What are Democrats going to do with that time?
Democrats don't need to do anything. Trump in control last time inspired 81 million to vote him the fuck out. This time around the shit show will be 10x worse even without a pandemic.
 

dank69

Lifer
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Probably not, but that's exactly why it takes tens of millions to subjugate a nation. It only takes a few thousand small groups if there's zero resistance. You can't send a 'second wave' to every place that resists if they all resist.
Second wave? More like 1 hellfire missile.
 

cytg111

Lifer
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Where did I imply I had the answer.. I am just talking about what's to come, and what helped put us here. Either way, we can't just lay down and let it happen, we have to figure out a way to stop it, if it's even possible in this day and age because of advancements and technology that is at his disposal.



You seem to believe "IF" Trump does indeed become a Dictator, that you will still have those guns. No dictatorship allows their citizens to have guns, and if or when Trump's "army" comes to take them, it will happen across the nations simutanioulsy without warning. Of course, you might have yours unregistered, hidden and/or barried in the ground, but it won't be any match for the firepower, technical advancements, and destruction behind his army.



Technology has come a long ways since then. Todays military has remote warefare capabilities that never existed in that time, along with many other techniclogical advancements.
I agree. If you believe that a dictatorship is incoming and you want to resist the best you can do right now is prepare for the actual resistance, asymmetric, covert and in the dark.
 
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trenchfoot

Lifer
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I never said this was like everything else. I said I am not getting wound up over something I cannot control. At this point I cannot control Trump getting inaugurated come January of next year.

Remember- Mid-terms are less than 2-years away. What are Democrats going to do with that time?

Hopefully make solid preparations to take both the House and Senate and dare Trump to dissolve both houses because they're mean to him. This I wish from the deepest parts of my heart and soul.
 

Brovane

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Democrats don't need to do anything. Trump in control last time inspired 81 million to vote him the fuck out. This time around the shit show will be 10x worse even without a pandemic.

How did that plan work out a couple of days ago?
 
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cytg111

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How did that plan work out a couple of days ago?
Thats part of it that I dont understand.

Clearly people wants change.

Yet every poll conducted showed that Harris was the change candidate over Trump.

I'd say you needed to go full progressive to get voters back ... but ... shit nothing about what just transpired makes fucking sense.

You guys fucking sure MAGA's didnt tamper the vote?
 
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dank69

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I think you'd have a CW on your hands before he'd just started shipping the latest and greatest hardware to Russia. Sort of the same as granting Putin citizen ship and anointing him VP.
Intelligence on the other hand. I can see him setting up backchannels to seamlessly "share" intelligence. Work around sanctions and share IP on a number of things to get Russian domestic production of certain goods up to speed.
A civil war will be won in a few days by whatever side controls the US military. Any rebellion would be reduced to "terrorist" cells before it could even start to get organized.
 

NWRMidnight

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Yes Mid-terms are less than 2-years away. Time to stop bitching and figure out how the Democrats are going to take back the house in 2026.
You seem to be under the impression that nothing is going to change and elections will be the same in two years. Considering Trump has already told people "you will never have to vote again" should make you reconsider if there will be any type of mid-terms with any meaning going forward.
 

cytg111

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A civil war will be won in a few days by whatever side controls the US military. Any rebellion would be reduced to "terrorist" cells before it could even start to get organized.
It would probably start within the military?
 

K1052

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A civil war will be won in a few days by whatever side controls the US military. Any rebellion would be reduced to "terrorist" cells before it could even start to get organized.

If ordered to kill American citizens the military itself would probably fracture along the same lines. So quite easy to quickly have two militaries actually going at each other in such a case.
 

dank69

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If ordered to kill American citizens the military itself would probably fracture along the same lines. So quite easy to quickly have two militaries actually going at each other in such a case.
No way. Anyone in the military that even thinks about pushing back will get the worst of it swiftly and decisively.
 

NWRMidnight

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I agree. If you believe that a dictatorship is incoming and you want to resist the best you can do right now is prepare for the actual resistance, asymmetric, covert and in the dark.
It's very much expected since he said he will be dictator on day one, arrest his enemies, purge the country of immigrants.. etc.. anyone who doubts that it's coming isn't paying attention, specially since he already attempted a coup, and insighted an attack on the Capital at the end of his first term.
 

Jaskalas

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‘We have won’: Russians envision new global system with Trump victory


Russia celebrates its victory over America and Europe. And they're not wrong, are they? Europe is divided. Europe has relied on American support to avoid building armies of size and of scope. Who can stand between Vlad the Butcher and European families now?

And not just military victory. But global repercussions when it is proven the USA is transactional, and the Eastern Bloc may offer a better deal. New alliances will form against us. Smaller nations who object will simply disappear. And by the measure of Ukraine, most nations are that small.

Russia and China are knocking on your door. They want to claim your land and to dispose of your people. You better be ready to answer with fire and death. Everyone else will be made a slave. Fresh meat for the meat waves.

Don't be Ned Stark holding a piece of paper. Don't be the next Ukraine holding just a treaty.
To have a future requires nuclear weapons.
 
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Brovane

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You seem to be under the impression that nothing is going to change and elections will be the same in two years. Considering Trump has already told people "you will never have to vote again" should make you reconsider if there will be any type of mid-terms with any meaning going forward.

So what happens if elections do happen in 2026 as normal and the Democrats just spend all that time just assuming that elections will not happen? Would be kind of dumb.
 

K1052

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‘We have won’: Russians envision new global system with Trump victory


Russia celebrates its victory over America and Europe. And they're not wrong, are they? Europe is divided. Europe has relied on American support to avoid building armies of size and of scope. Who can stand between Vlad the Butcher and European families now?

And not just military victory. But global repercussions when it is proven the USA is transactional, and the Eastern Bloc may offer a better deal. New alliances will form against us. Smaller nations who object will simply disappear. And by the measure of Ukraine, most nations are that small.

Russia and China are knocking on your door. They want to claim your land and to dispose of your people. You better be ready to answer with fire and death. Everyone else will be made a slave. Fresh meat for the meat waves.

Don't be Ned Stark holding a piece of paper. Don't be the next Ukraine.
To have a future requires nuclear weapons.


Three day war will of course be over shortly on ludicrously favorable terms seems like chickens that Moscow probably should not be counting just yet.
 

Brovane

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Dec 18, 2001
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‘We have won’: Russians envision new global system with Trump victory


Russia celebrates its victory over America and Europe. And they're not wrong, are they? Europe is divided. Europe has relied on American support to avoid building armies of size and of scope. Who can stand between Vlad the Butcher and European families now?

And not just military victory. But global repercussions when it is proven the USA is transactional, and the Eastern Bloc may offer a better deal. New alliances will form against us. Smaller nations who object will simply disappear. And by the measure of Ukraine, most nations are that small.

Russia and China are knocking on your door. They want to claim your land and to dispose of your people. You better be ready to answer with fire and death. Everyone else will be made a slave. Fresh meat for the meat waves.

Don't be Ned Stark holding a piece of paper. Don't be the next Ukraine holding just a treaty.
To have a future requires nuclear weapons.

Interesting video on that topic. Trump is very trans-actional on foreign relations. He will be more than happy to sell Ukraine or Europe, US weapons.

What will Trump's victory mean for Ukraine?
 

trenchfoot

Lifer
Aug 5, 2000
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‘We have won’: Russians envision new global system with Trump victory


Russia celebrates its victory over America and Europe. And they're not wrong, are they? Europe is divided. Europe has relied on American support to avoid building armies of size and of scope. Who can stand between Vlad the Butcher and European families now?

And not just military victory. But global repercussions when it is proven the USA is transactional, and the Eastern Bloc may offer a better deal. New alliances will form against us. Smaller nations who object will simply disappear. And by the measure of Ukraine, most nations are that small.

Russia and China are knocking on your door. They want to claim your land and to dispose of your people. You better be ready to answer with fire and death. Everyone else will be made a slave. Fresh meat for the meat waves.

Don't be Ned Stark holding a piece of paper. Don't be the next Ukraine.
To have a future requires nuclear weapons.

See, this is the stuff that goes completely over the heads of the millions of folks who put Trump's ass back in the driver's seat. They simply don't care, and if they do, they've either got millions of other folks to blame for the stupid choices these morons make for the rest of us or they freely go along with whatever Trump does because he's their man, he can do no wrong, and so what if we become a puppet state to Russia, they're all people just like us and they'll never think of owning our asses like they will in Europe. Yes, these Trump fuckers are that stupid. The proof? They all voted for him ever after he extended his rap sheet by another mile.
 

NWRMidnight

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So what happens if elections do happen in 2026 as normal and the Democrats just spend all that time just assuming that elections will not happen? Would be kind of dumb.

I'm not the one who keeps going "mid-terms are two years away, what are the democrats going to do with that time", as if the mid-terms are going to save us, and there won't be any damage done between now and then. They may very well happen, but they won't be the same elections as we know it, that is clear if you have been paying attention. It's a little premature to believe that two days after losing the election anyone has the answer to what will be done, nore what will have to be navigatged over the next two years. Hell, we don't even know what damage the corrupt SCOTUS will do to our election laws. What I can say, is people can't be complaciant and claim "it's out of my control" so I won't let it bother me.. as you are, waiting believing your vote will stop it. Everyone has to care, everyone has to put on their thinking cap and figure out a way out of this and sad to say, it will most likely take more than just voting.
 
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