Poll: Is "no one is above the law" officially dead?

HomerJS · Nov 8, 2024

Once Trump takes office he will make all his federal criminal cases go away. He will pressure SCOTUS to make his state cases go away.

He promised to pardon all the J6 criminals.

I always knew deep down "no one is above the law" was not really true but with the second term of Trump along with the newly created immunity for him does this make "no one is above the law officially dead.

IMO - Only white Trump supporters are free from consequences. The rest of us are fucked.

What do you think?

K1052 · Nov 8, 2024

I mean basically everything I know about the justice system and how it handles rich white men has always indicated this is not true. It's a statement of faith not of fact.

gothuevos · Nov 8, 2024

MomentsofSanity · Nov 8, 2024

This implies it was ever the case. I can't think of a single moment in history this was true.

ivwshane · Nov 8, 2024

If you’ve got the money then it doesn’t apply.

FelixDeCat · Nov 8, 2024

Don't give up. We have four years to lock him up or impeach him yet again.

eelw · Nov 8, 2024

But Smith already looking to end the cases. But one does hope he puts EVERYTHING in his final report. Only hoping Garland won’t hide it.

SteveGrabowski · Nov 8, 2024

How can something never born be dead?

HomerJS · Nov 8, 2024

eelw said:
But Smith already looking to end the cases. But one does hope he puts EVERYTHING in his final report. Only hoping Garland won’t hide it.

He'll have time to release all the evidence before Jan 20. Just more stuff for half the country to ignore.

NWRMidnight · Nov 8, 2024

HomerJS said:
Once Trump takes office he will make all his federal criminal cases go away. He will pressure SCOTUS to make his state cases go away.

He promised to pardon all the J6 criminals.

I always knew deep down "no one is above the law" was not really true but with the second term of Trump along with the newly created immunity for him does this make "no one is above the law officially dead.

IMO - Only white Trump supporters are free from consequences. The rest of us are fucked.

What do you think?

SCOTUS has no authority in state cases unless it involves federal law, or constitutional law.

HomerJS · Nov 8, 2024

NWRMidnight said:
SCOTUS has no authority in state cases unless it involves federal law, or constitutional law.

Have you not seen this SCOTUS Calvinball anything they want?

HomerJS · Nov 8, 2024

Would love to see how pardoning the J6 criminals is maintaining the rule of law.

IronWing · Nov 8, 2024

HomerJS said:
Would love to see how pardoning the J6 criminals is maintaining the rule of law.

Let me help you understand.

fskimospy · Nov 8, 2024

NWRMidnight said:
SCOTUS has no authority in state cases unless it involves federal law, or constitutional law.

It doesn't really matter though. As I said many times Trump was doomed from a criminal standpoint and the only way he could save himself was by becoming president again. (I just made the mistake of thinking that wasn't going to happen)

New York can't arrest him while he's president and I bet he will be leaning on New York VERY hard to have them drop the charges or whatever. As a New York resident this is a scary thought because Trump is so ludicrously corrupt that he will most likely use the federal government to attack his constituents for attempting to enforce the law against him.

HomerJS · Nov 8, 2024

fskimospy said:
It doesn't really matter though. As I said many times Trump was doomed from a criminal standpoint and the only way he could save himself was by becoming president again. (I just made the mistake of thinking that wasn't going to happen)

New York can't arrest him while he's president and I bet he will be leaning on New York VERY hard to have them drop the charges or whatever. As a New York resident this is a scary thought because Trump is so ludicrously corrupt that he will most likely use the federal government to attack his constituents for attempting to enforce the law against him.

He's not President now. Why not arrest him.

fskimospy · Nov 8, 2024

HomerJS said:
He's not President now. Why not arrest him.

Arrest him for what? He was already arrested for these various crimes so there's no cause to arrest him again and in New York he hasn't been sentenced yet so there's no requirement for him to go to prison.

It would be difficult to dislike this situation more than I do as this guy is going to get away with dozens of felonies and a coup attempt, but that's what's going to happen.

FelixDeCat · Nov 8, 2024

fskimospy said:
Arrest him for what? He was already arrested for these various crimes so there's no cause to arrest him again and in New York he hasn't been sentenced yet so there's no requirement for him to go to prison.

It would be difficult to dislike this situation more than I do as this guy is going to get away with dozens of felonies and a coup attempt, but that's what's going to happen.

Beyond that you still have the civil penalty against him. How does that disappear? On appeal now.

BoomerD · Nov 8, 2024

fskimospy said:
Arrest him for what? He was already arrested for these various crimes so there's no cause to arrest him again and in New York he hasn't been sentenced yet so there's no requirement for him to go to prison.

It would be difficult to dislike this situation more than I do as this guy is going to get away with dozens of felonies and a coup attempt, but that's what's going to happen.

And he probably won't...

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fskimospy · Nov 8, 2024

FelixDeCat said:
Beyond that you still have the civil penalty against him. How does that disappear? On appeal now.

I suspect he will just refuse to pay it and then use the power of the federal government to attack anyone who tries to make him.

HomerJS · Nov 8, 2024

fskimospy said:
Arrest him for what? He was already arrested for these various crimes so there's no cause to arrest him again and in New York he hasn't been sentenced yet so there's no requirement for him to go to prison.

It would be difficult to dislike this situation more than I do as this guy is going to get away with dozens of felonies and a coup attempt, but that's what's going to happen.

Sentence him and arrest. I know it would take massive stones by the NY judge but would be perfectly legal.

I know that will not happen which codifies the existence of this thread.

fskimospy · Nov 8, 2024

HomerJS said:
Sentence him and arrest. I know it would take massive stones by the NY judge but would be perfectly legal.

I know that will not happen which codifies the existence of this thread.

I get that from an emotional sense but he will appeal the sentence and it will be stayed pending appeal.

HomerJS · Nov 8, 2024

fskimospy said:
I get that from an emotional sense but he will appeal the sentence and it will be stayed pending appeal.

Then do it. At lesst he will be a convicted and sentenced felon.

UNCjigga · Nov 8, 2024

IronWing said:
Let me help you understand.
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I laughed…but then I remembered that at least 2 of the J6 instigators of color are actually serving 2 of the longest sentences.

NWRMidnight · Nov 8, 2024

fskimospy said:
It doesn't really matter though. As I said many times Trump was doomed from a criminal standpoint and the only way he could save himself was by becoming president again. (I just made the mistake of thinking that wasn't going to happen)

New York can't arrest him while he's president and I bet he will be leaning on New York VERY hard to have them drop the charges or whatever. As a New York resident this is a scary thought because Trump is so ludicrously corrupt that he will most likely use the federal government to attack his constituents for attempting to enforce the law against him.

He isn't President yet, that doesn't happen until Jan 20. The Judge can sentence him to jail this month, and immediatly have him arrested. BTW, where is it in our constitution, or our laws that says a President can't be arrested while President?

NWRMidnight · Nov 8, 2024

fskimospy said:
I get that from an emotional sense but he will appeal the sentence and it will be stayed pending appeal.

Will it be stayed? There are a lot of people who appeal, and have to sit in jail waiting for that appeal to go to trial.

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