Biggest Democratic mistake in the last 4 years: letting Biden steamroll a primary.

MrSquished · Nov 8, 2024

Where were the Democrats with any vision, to push that fucker out. His legacy is forever tarnished.

The majority of literal Democrats didn't want him to run again. Sure I know the masses aren't always right, but fucking read a room and read his unpopularity ratings and see the backlash against incumbencies, And literally just have looked at the actual man himself, he was declining rapidly. And you let fucking Biden remove our chance to select a new leader to go against trump?

Fuck you Joe Biden. And fuck any Democrats like the chair of the DNC who pushed for him to be able to do that. And to any Democratic politician who advised behind the scenes that Biden should go, you are the people that should take charge now.

Fuck these old fossils with their antiquated way of thinking. The should all be purged from the party.

That would not have guaranteed a win but it would have definitely given us a much better chance overall.

SteveGrabowski · Nov 8, 2024

I got piled on by all the liberals in the forum for saying the same shit a year ago. This was the easiest election to call since 88.

MrSquished · Nov 8, 2024

SteveGrabowski said:
I got piled on by all the liberals in the forum for saying the same shit a year ago. This was the easiest election to call since 88.

Join the club brother. I'll buy you a beer you buy me a beer. There's nothing to celebrate though, the whole point was to save the country, and now that's fucked and we don't get a fucking do-over because of these people.

gothuevos · Nov 8, 2024

MrSquished said:
Where were the Democrats with any vision, to push that fucker out. His legacy is forever tarnished.

The majority of literal Democrats didn't want him to run again. Sure I know the masses aren't always right, but fucking read a room and read his unpopularity ratings and see the backlash against incumbencies, And literally just have looked at the actual man himself, he was declining rapidly. And you let fucking Biden remove our chance to select a new leader to go against trump?

Fuck you Joe Biden. And fuck any Democrats like the chair of the DNC who pushed for him to be able to do that. And to any Democratic politician who advised behind the scenes that Biden should go, you are the people that should take charge now.

Fuck these old fossils with their antiquated way of thinking. The should all be purged from the party.

That would not have guaranteed a win but it would have definitely given us a much better chance overall.

Some of us sounded the alarm and we were labeled doomers for it. I get that nobody likes to hear/read it, but man, Biden's unpopularity was simply too hard to ignore. That coupled with his rapid, VISIBLE decline was just unmistakable.

Again, the Dem consultant class is 100% to blame. Just completely tone deaf.

Only silver lining is that at least I see some Dems asking the right/hard questions now. But it's probably too late, we have effectively arrived at one party rule.

GoPackGo · Nov 8, 2024

I figured in 2020, he would hang out for a couple of years, then retire and give Kamala a couple of years behind the desk to prove / disprove her abilities.

K1052 · Nov 8, 2024

Incumbent government parties across the planet have gotten squashed. Applied both to the right and left wherever they were in power. I am skeptical a primary would have made much difference especially v Trump where so much of his appeal is rooted in his ability to get voters to deny objective reality.

Indus · Nov 8, 2024

I still think he would have done better than Kamala.. there's clearly people that will vote for a senile racist old white man over a black woman.

And we needed PA badly.

Of all the calls.. Pelosi fucked this one up badly!

SteveGrabowski · Nov 8, 2024

K1052 said:
Incumbent government parties across the planet have gotten squashed. Applied both to the right and left wherever they were in power. I am skeptical a primary would have made much difference especially v Trump where so much of his appeal is rooted in his ability to get voters to deny objective reality.

So maybe we shouldn't have had an unpopular incumbent running then?

K1052 · Nov 8, 2024

Indus said:
I still think he would have done better than Kamala.. there's clearly people that will vote for a senile racist old white man over a black woman.

Disagree. Biden would have probably lost worse.

K1052 · Nov 8, 2024

SteveGrabowski said:
So maybe we shouldn't have had an unpopular incumbent running then?

Harris ended up about 10 points more favorably viewed than Trump and some of those people voted for Trump anyway. I just don't think you can deal with this reality "with one simple trick" electorally speaking.

gothuevos · Nov 8, 2024

Indus said:
I still think he would have done better than Kamala.. there's clearly people that will vote for a senile racist old white man over a black woman.

And we needed PA badly.

Of all the calls.. Pelosi fucked this one up badly!

I think if Biden had retained even 50% of his faculties, he probably would have eeked out a win. Maybe.

gothuevos · Nov 8, 2024

K1052 said:
Harris ended up about 10 points more favorably viewed than Trump and some of those people voted for Trump anyway. I just don't think you can deal with this reality "with one simple trick" electorally.

I'll have to find the link, but Trump did substantially better than Harris with respect to "protecting democracy."

I think all the "Democratic lawfare" stuff worked with people.

Indus · Nov 8, 2024

If the dems are smart which I doubt they are.. next time they have a speaker or leader of the senate.. they need to be straight white guys.

K1052 · Nov 8, 2024

Indus said:
If the dems are smart which I doubt they are.. next time they have a speaker or leader of the senate.. they need to be straight white guys.

I can tell you one thing, the Republicans have dreamed for decades about having a speaker as powerful as Nancy Pelosi. They even admit it.

K1052 · Nov 8, 2024

gothuevos said:
I'll have to find the link, but Trump did substantially better than Harris with respect to "protecting democracy."

I think all the "Democratic lawfare" stuff worked with people.

Waiting for the Pew and Catalist surveys to say what's what before I make too many conclusions. Exit polling sucks ass.

Indus · Nov 8, 2024

gothuevos said:
I'll have to find the link, but Trump did substantially better than Harris with respect to "protecting democracy."

I think all the "Democratic lawfare" stuff worked with people.

Yeah I saw that too.. couldn't believe it initially but it is what it is.

K1052 said:
I can tell you one thing, the Republicans have dreamed for decades about having a speaker as powerful as Nancy Pelosi. They even admit it.

Sure but she got 2 things majorly wrong.. hildabeast and kam.

K1052 · Nov 8, 2024

Indus said:
Sure but she got 2 things majorly wrong.. hildabeast and kam.

Clinton won her primary fair and square. The fantasies people engaged in about an open primary in July of an election year were particularly florid. It was Harris or bust as I said at the time.

Indus · Nov 8, 2024

K1052 said:
Clinton won her primary fair and square. The fantasies people engaged in about an open primary in July of an election year were particularly florid. It was Harris or bust as I said at the time.

Well it was bust either way as both times the Trumpanzees have gotten a trifecta.

MrSquished · Nov 8, 2024

K1052 said:
Incumbent government parties across the planet have gotten squashed. Applied both to the right and left wherever they were in power. I am skeptical a primary would have made much difference especially v Trump where so much of his appeal is rooted in his ability to get voters to deny objective reality.

I could not disagree stronger. Biden was a historically unpopular incumbent, among everyone, but also his own party. It was a historically terrible move to let him run again.

If incumbent governments are struggling, you keep the actual incumbent in with the worst ratings even among his OWN voters, who literally WANT anybdoy else to run, rather than try to bring in a fresh face? To at least separate from the literal actual incumbent on thin ice? Please, tell me, as you seem quite bright, how do you even rationalize this?

MrSquished · Nov 8, 2024

K1052 said:
Clinton won her primary fair and square. The fantasies people engaged in about an open primary in July of an election year were particularly florid. It was Harris or bust as I said at the time.

I agree with you there. If the Dems tried to hash out a new primary/brokered situation just months before the election, it would have been the biggest shit show mistake.

I think one of the brightest moments of the Dems was to not let this happen. I was impressed by them.

HomerJS · Nov 8, 2024

K1052 said:
Clinton won her primary fair and square. The fantasies people engaged in about an open primary in July of an election year were particularly florid. It was Harris or bust as I said at the time.

Like the Middle East it was complicated. I do agree opening this up to a mini primary would have likely been disastrous.

If Biden announced early in his term he was not running for re-election he becomes an instant lame duck and nothing gets done.

Going for a straight white guy when the sitting President is a black female would have been disaster for the black and female vote.

K1052 · Nov 8, 2024

MrSquished said:
I could not disagree stronger. Biden was a historically unpopular incumbent, among everyone, but also his own party. It was a historically terrible move to let him run again.

If incumbent governments are struggling, you keep the actual incumbent in with the worst ratings even among his OWN voters, who literally WANT anybdoy else to run, rather than try to bring in a fresh face? To at least separate from the literal actual incumbent on thin ice? Please, tell me, as you seem quite bright, how do you even rationalize this?

Harris went from 17 points unfavorable to crossing over into positive territory and by eday only at 2 points unfavorable. Just an unbelievable shift in opinion that nobody has ever seen.

A shitload of people just voted for somebody they didn't like but they believed the lies he told them.

SteveGrabowski · Nov 8, 2024

K1052 said:
Harris ended up about 10 points more favorably viewed than Trump and some of those people voted for Trump anyway. I just don't think you can deal with this reality "with one simple trick" electorally speaking.

Oh JFC not the Harris was the best choice available argument. This was a very winnable election against someone the nation hates but the democrats just had to keep anyone from running against a dead in the water Biden so they could handpick a shit candidate who inspired no one in her primary run for the 2020 election. Trump looks on pace to barely have gotten more votes winning the popular vote in 2024 than he did losing by 4.5 points to Biden in 2020 which tells you Harris did shit to motivate turnout.

SteveGrabowski · Nov 8, 2024

K1052 said:
Clinton won her primary fair and square. The fantasies people engaged in about an open primary in July of an election year were particularly florid. It was Harris or bust as I said at the time.

The whole party was scared to run against her because it was her time. The only real challenger she had was a social democrat who wasn't a member of the party.

K1052 · Nov 8, 2024

SteveGrabowski said:
The whole party was scared to run against her because it was her time. The only real challenger she had was a social democrat who wasn't a member of the party.

This just describes basic political dynamics, not some conspiracy to make her the nominee.

Biggest Democratic mistake in the last 4 years: letting Biden steamroll a primary.

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