Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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[DHT]Osiris

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No way. Anyone in the military that even thinks about pushing back will get the worst of it swiftly and decisively.
Bold assumption. Everyone worth a shit in the military prioritizes the country over the president, especially some fat bag of assholes with a bunch of yes-men around him. Even generals aren't above fragging if they make the wrong call.
 

cytg111

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Bold assumption. Everyone worth a shit in the military prioritizes the country over the president, especially some fat bag of assholes with a bunch of yes-men around him. Even generals aren't above fragging if they make the wrong call.
To be fair part of prj2025 is to reshape the brass

 

outriding

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To be fair part of prj2025 is to reshape the brass



Hmm is trump still going to replace the generals with nascar/ football / etc coaches
 

zinfamous

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I never said this was like everything else. I said I am not getting wound up over something I cannot control. At this point I cannot control Trump getting inaugurated come January of next year.

Remember- Mid-terms are less than 2-years away. What are Democrats going to do with that time?
I hope they don't wait that long.

SCOTUS gave Biden an opportunity. A not-insignificant part of me hopes that he calls their bluff very soon.

But clearly he won't.
 

cytg111

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Hmm is trump still going to replace the generals with nascar/ football / etc coaches

Dana White is Press Secretary.

How is that for Idiocracy for you?

It's gonna get dumb, evil and degenerated.

Mr "black spots on the MRI" himself.

"I have black spots all over my brain from what I did. I wouldn’t take one back one punch. Not one. The position that I’m in right here, right now, today, I wouldn’t take one punch back because I loved it that much."

 

Jaskalas

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Putin likens Taiwan to Ukraine. Warns escalation is/will occur. Vows to assist China.

Putin says China is Russia's ally, backs its stance on Taiwan

"We do not believe that China is pursuing an aggressive policy in the region," Putin said at the Valdai discussion club in the Russian Black Sea resort of Sochi.
He suggested that Taiwan was trying to stir up a Ukraine-style crisis in Asia in order to attract outside support.
China views democratically governed Taiwan as its own territory and regularly conducts wargames near the island.
"A lot is going on around Taiwan. Everyone formally acknowledges, yes, Taiwan is part of China. But in reality? In reality, it is acting in a completely different direction. Provoking the situation towards escalation," Putin said.
"We do support China. And because of this, we believe that (China) is conducting a completely reasonable policy. And also because it is our ally. We have a very large trade turnover, we cooperate in the security sector."
 
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cytg111

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The most likely end of NATO is most likely to come from here:

- Trump pulls all support, shuts down star link and ends sanctions on Russia.
- NATO is dead.
- European countries will have to cut ties with US contractors.

Deep divide between EU and US.

 

Brovane

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The most likely end of NATO is most likely to come from here:

- Trump pulls all support, shuts down star link and ends sanctions on Russia.
- NATO is dead.
- European countries will have to cut ties with US contractors.

Deep divide between EU and US.


Trump is very transactional in foreign relations. What does Trump gain by giving Russia a free hand in Ukraine and pulling US Support?
 

you2

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Trump is very transactional in foreign relations. What does Trump gain by giving Russia a free hand in Ukraine and pulling US Support?
Russia is a special case as for some reason Trump feels beholden to Putin as he has demonstrated time and time again - though if you want something more concrete Trump has always wanted a Trump tower in moscow. Btw many of the current Republicans are very transactional and for a few rubbles and a couple of young girls (or boys when needed) they would sell out their country and families.
 
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K1052

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I think this kinda foreshadows what is likely to happen. Direct US assistance to Ukraine will probably either be reduced or eliminated, maybe I lean to the first one right now. Arms sales to Europe/Ukraine will be encouraged as defense contractors line up to keep it so. Stopping sales would be catastrophic to the US defense industry's bottom lines including Musk who wants to sell Starlink/Starshield abroad as basically every country would cancel their contracts for our equipment seeing us as an unreliable supplier.

https://www.axios.com/2024/11/08/musk-trump-zelensky-ukraine-call
 
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you2

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The only rational hypothesis I see is that Trump might have a lot of debts to Russian financiers, and he needs to repay them somehow.
It occurred to me that it is likely Trump committed some disgusting sex act when he was in Russia and while there might not be a tape of such Putin might claim he has a tape... After all Trump is excessively paranoid about his fake persona.
 
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Brovane

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I think this kinda foreshadows what is likely to happen. Direct US assistance to Ukraine will probably either be reduced or eliminated, maybe I lean to the first one right now. Arms sales to Europe/Ukraine will be encouraged as defense contractors line up to keep it so. Stopping sales would be catastrophic to the US defense industry's bottom lines including Musk who wants to sell Starlink/Starshield abroad as basically every country would cancel their contracts for our equipment seeing us as an unreliable supplier.

https://www.axios.com/2024/11/08/musk-trump-zelensky-ukraine-call

Arms sales are going to be encouraged over direct military aid. Maybe Trump will do some type of lend lease with Ukraine. Starlink/Starshield will continue to support Ukrainian communications.
 

K1052

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Arms sales are going to be encouraged over direct military aid. Maybe Trump will do some type of lend lease with Ukraine. Starlink/Starshield will continue to support Ukrainian communications.

One possible wrinkle for Russia could be that this admin could be willing to sell things to Ukraine that the Biden one wasn't just because they'll pay. Like if Zelensky orders 250 Tomahawks from Raytheon in a cash deal are they gonna say no?
 
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fskimospy

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Trump is very transactional in foreign relations. What does Trump gain by giving Russia a free hand in Ukraine and pulling US Support?
Trump is very transactional with every country but Russia, to which he act subservient.

To me the simplest solution is the most likely one. Trump is transactional and the transaction here is Russia has shit on him so Trump does what Putin wants.
 

IronWing

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Trump is very transactional with every country but Russia, to which he act subservient.

To me the simplest solution is the most likely one. Trump is transactional and the transaction here is Russia has shit on him so Trump does what Putin wants.
Given the powers the SC bestowed on Trump, I'm not sure what Russia has that could touch him. After committing treason, insurrection, rape, and having multiple felony convictions, unless Russia has Trump's tax returns, I having trouble with thinking of dirt that would have any impact on Trump.
 

Brovane

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One possible wrinkle for Russia could be that this admin could be willing to sell things to Ukraine that the Biden one wasn't just because they'll pay. Like if Zelensky orders 250 Tomahawks from Raytheon in a cash deal are they gonna say no?

We don't know but I wouldn't consider it unlikely. I think Putin isn't going to cooperate with Trump and Trump is going to let Ukraine off the reigns for how they use US weapons. Right now the Biden Administration would give just enough to Ukraine so they wouldn't lose but not enough to win. That might change very soon. Ukraine isn't Afghanistan and Trump doesn't want to see a Russian victory parade through Kyiv because it makes him look weak and it would happen on his watch unlike with Afghanistan.
 

K1052

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We don't know but I wouldn't consider it unlikely. I think Putin isn't going to cooperate with Trump and Trump is going to let Ukraine off the reigns for how they use US weapons. Right now the Biden Administration would give just enough to Ukraine so they wouldn't lose but not enough to win. That might change very soon. Ukraine isn't Afghanistan and Trump doesn't want to see a Russian victory parade through Kyiv because it makes him look weak and it would happen on his watch unlike with Afghanistan.

Some of what I read out of Kyiv is that their government is tired of being stuck in purgatory due to Biden's decisions to supply just enough aid for them to lose territory very very slowly and in a manner that costs a lot of lives. They think rolling the dice now is probably better than this going on as is for years more. It's an understandable reaction.
 

fskimospy

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Given the powers the SC bestowed on Trump, I'm not sure what Russia has that could touch him. After committing treason, insurrection, rape, and having multiple felony convictions, unless Russia has Trump's tax returns, I having trouble with thinking of dirt that would have any impact on Trump.
I will be darkly interested to see if his behavior changes now that he is essentially above the law. I think if shit were heinous enough (like Trump strangling a child on video or something) Trump would want to continue to hide it but I agree most blackmail... like... who cares.
 
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IronWing

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We don't know but I wouldn't consider it unlikely. I think Putin isn't going to cooperate with Trump and Trump is going to let Ukraine off the reigns for how they use US weapons. Right now the Biden Administration would give just enough to Ukraine so they wouldn't lose but not enough to win. That might change very soon. Ukraine isn't Afghanistan and Trump doesn't want to see a Russian victory parade through Kyiv because it makes him look weak and it would happen on his watch unlike with Afghanistan.
Trump admires strength and views Russia through a very 1980s lens. Trump would proudly stand side by side with Putin on a reviewing stand while Russian tanks rolled through Kyiv. He would crow about being the president who brought the US and Russia together.
 
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