Get a guy like Wes Moore to run. Combat vet, pro police, YIMBY, pro marijuana, pro safety nets. Seen at Ravens games chugging beer with his constituents. Get him on Rogan a couple of times during the election cycle, and one time a few days before election day.
Play the game with the rules as they are. Stop giving up ground in this space to the GOP.
He calls into the sports radio I listen to on the regular and he is definitely just one of the bros that you could hang out with and have a good time with as you mention.Get a guy like Wes Moore to run. Combat vet, pro police, YIMBY, pro marijuana, pro safety nets. Seen at Ravens games chugging beer with his constituents. Get him on Rogan a couple of times during the election cycle, and one time a few days before election day.
Play the game with the rules as they are. Stop giving up ground in this space to the GOP.
Some stuff re: costs - some of that is ultimately on consumers. No one is forcing consumers to buy super expensive crossovers, SUVs, and trucks, regardless of EV mandates. And groceries, some of the complaints really boil down to either learn to shop better (don't buy non-sale items) or substitution. Granted, you can't run completely away from higher costs. Of course, none of this will work politically, because you can't call your voters morons.IMHO the D's shot themselves in the foot by not replacing Joe early in the cycle with a male candidate. Then there are other things like the economy, ev mandates and far left agendas that many voters could not support. I'm probably going back to NPA.
He calls into the sports radio I listen to on the regular and he is definitely just one of the bros that you could hang out with and have a good time with as you mention.
But ... he also is not white, and well, we know what that means for half the population...
Yeah you don't pierce the right wing media sphere listening to the lunatics. You need to create your own media sphere. Which is what I've said. You can't go into these places and engage with these loons, you have to create your own spaces. That's going to require a really rich people investing lots of money but I don't think we have thatWho are you going to listen to? The Dem consultant class that got us into this mess?
And you yourself said they need to pierce the RW social media ecosystem, but we don't listen to the voters within it? I'm not saying to take everything on twitter as gospel, but to completely just ignore it seems counter productive.
That's going to require a really rich people investing lots of money but I don't think we have that
Yeah it's up to them to fucking create a reality Wing media sphere. But so far doesn't seem like we can count on them because nobody is fucking lifted a finger.What about all those billionaires that supported Kamala?
Oh wait, all that money went to the consultant class. Silly me.
Because voters want to hurt people. Not people that remind them of themselves, but other people. Hurting people makes them feel like their life is better in comparison. Every uninformed and perceived informed voting decision can be traced back to that.
A millennia of generational trauma culminating in a singular vote to hurt as many people as possible in as short a time as possible.
LOL speaking of the devil, he's going to be on one of the shows at 12:30pm today if you want to listen. They just mentioned it before going to commercial break.I don't think it matters as much as long he's a straight male. Same for VP.
But he's an unknown entity outside of Maryland right now. I don't know if he even has national aspirations. Be nice if they started to build him up.
True not to mention all of the democratic jurisdictions that went after Trump like rabid dogs. The NY settlement will probably evaporate now that he's won a 2nd term. With that said I'm appalled at the GOP for their fascist stunts and blatant disregard for the laws of this nation where their members are concerned. I will never vote for a republican as long as I live.I think going forward, we just need to blame all bad things on Trump. Ride the wave of discontent.
Some stuff re: costs - some of that is ultimately on consumers. No one is forcing consumers to buy super expensive crossovers, SUVs, and trucks, regardless of EV mandates. And groceries, some of the complaints really boil down to either learn to shop better (don't buy non-sale items) or substitution. Granted, you can't run completely away from higher costs. Of course, none of this will work politically, because you can't call your voters morons.
Again with the "massaging problem" get it through your thick fucking skull the Dems will never be able to message right because there is a firehose of misinformation poisoning the well. You said it yourself, whatever Kamala's message actually was, half of people thought it was too loberal and half thought it was to conservative. That should tell you Democrats can never win the messaging because no matter what they do it will be too liberal for half the country and too conservative for the rest. Pull your head out of your ass please.I think it actually highlights very well that her campaign had a terrible messaging problem. ...
There is no appetite for this on the left. Like WTF do you think MSNBC is?Yeah you don't pierce the right wing media sphere listening to the lunatics. You need to create your own media sphere. Which is what I've said. You can't go into these places and engage with these loons, you have to create your own spaces. That's going to require a really rich people investing lots of money but I don't think we have that
My point isn't if there is an appetite or not, my point is that is one of the big answers to one of our most major problems. If this doesn't happen, we are fucked for a much longer time than otherwise. I'm not here to say things that are only palatable to the elites.There is no appetite for this on the left. Like WTF do you think MSNBC is?
Yup. Trump lowered the bar, and then they get mad when everyone else limbo's under it.You fucking piece of shit the Donald Trump party has lowered the discourse and been calling names for the last fucking 9 years you disgusting piece of shit. And you fucking love it, but even just the truth of you people being told now you're so fucking sensitive to some names about what you really actually are.
I really wish nothing but ill upon you. You are the nastiest of the nasty.
we didn't even limbo under it, we just finally started calling out what these people were after they'd shown us for 8 goddamn years!Yup. Trump lowered the bar, and then they get mad when everyone else limbo's under it.
Fuck them.
Is it even a fundamental messaging problem if areas with heavy campaigning saw less of a Trump shift relative to other states? Or that things like the PA statehouse stayed in Dem hands?Again with the "massaging problem" get it through your thick fucking skull the Dems will never be able to message right because there is a firehose of misinformation poisoning the well. You said it yourself, whatever Kamala's message actually was, half of people thought it was too loberal and half thought it was to conservative. That should tell you Democrats can never win the messaging because no matter what they do it will be too liberal for half the country and too conservative for the rest. Pull your head out of your ass please.
Do you feel any sense of self satisfaction saying this? Isn’t that why you said it?Perfect description of this forum.
Because Posters want to hurt people. Not people that remind them of themselves, but other people. Hurting people makes them feel like their life is better in comparison. Every uninformed and perceived informed Posting decision can be traced back to that.
Oh quit fucking whining. The average democrat/liberal wants to help people. When those people do nothing but throw shit at them, then blame them when the room is full of feces, the average democrat/liberal will turn away from them. If the harassment continues, those shitheads will be turned on.Perfect description of this forum.
Because Posters want to hurt people. Not people that remind them of themselves, but other people. Hurting people makes them feel like their life is better in comparison. Every uninformed and perceived informed Posting decision can be traced back to that.
Exactly, this is why we need a reality mediasphere to fight the right wing mediasphere of misinformation.Again with the "massaging problem" get it through your thick fucking skull the Dems will never be able to message right because there is a firehose of misinformation poisoning the well. You said it yourself, whatever Kamala's message actually was, half of people thought it was too loberal and half thought it was to conservative. That should tell you Democrats can never win the messaging because no matter what they do it will be too liberal for half the country and too conservative for the rest. Pull your head out of your ass please.
I despise your guts because in 8 years of hating him you couldn’t change him. Fuck you and all your worthless hatred. What a fucking idiot. Cough!we didn't even limbo under it, we just finally started calling out what these people were after they'd shown us for 8 goddamn years!
Greenman is up there with the worst of the worst. He is a despicable being. When his SS and medicare are fucked - I hope it causes him shit tons of hardship. And no Trumpers really give a shit about middle class folks living in some suburb or rural area, they care about all the wealthiest, and they are going to fuck Greenman's class over again.
His suffering will be great schadenfrude.
To all the other decent folks who voted for Kamala, I will sympathize with their plight. But not the literal trash that is greenman and his ilk.
That’s fair enough, Kamala’s message about the economy & inflation wasn’t what voters were looking for. We need to learn from this.The economy was #1 in most concerns but if you ask these same people how Biden caused inflation they couldn't tell you.
No one hear can support the notion that Biden caused inflation.
Exactly, this is why we need a reality mediasphere to fight the right wing mediasphere of misinformation.
That’s fair enough, Kamala’s message about the economy & inflation wasn’t what voters were looking for. We need to learn from this.
Do you feel any sense of self satisfaction saying this? Isn’t that why you said it?