Can you please share the original URL?Most likely Zen6 on N3 and Zen6c on N2.
What questionable features did bulldozer have?
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With the current cost of nodes, I think if Z6 is 2027 it is partly because its 3nm, not 2nm.
NV is doing the 'old' 4nm for consumer Blackwell in 2025 because of cost, so AMD will absolutely not pay for the bleeding edge.
transcript https://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102809019Can you please share the original URL?
Answer is simple: it probably didn't cost them anything. Rest of the computer industry is moving towards denser chips. Less dense chips are getting phased out. It's possible that memory makers told Apple that they won't be able to supply them lower density chips in volume anymore. Apple is not going to give more out of the kindness of their heart (not that there is any kindness inside that block of stone anyway).how Apple is upgrading to 16GB in base models and still maintaining prices while being at 3nm then.
omg, bring the man back to AMD.video
He might return yet.omg, bring the man back to AMD.
It failed to meet a competitive performance bar and as a result, missed every business objective it was supposed to meet driving the company nearly out of business.Going 2 ALUs, 16k L1d & 2-way L1i, horribly slow L2, and doing FMA in 6 cycles?
Yep, cost isn't the issue. Apple is including ~160mm2 N3 silicon in a $600 Mac Mini. And it's Apple so you know they have better margins than AMD. It's also an entire computer with an internal power supply. A Ryzen 9 AI 495X with 2 x N3 CCDs is probably only 140mm2...Hmm, I don't know, it seems weird to me then how Apple is upgrading to 16GB in base models and still maintaining prices while being at 3nm then. It cannot be THAT expensive.
| Power | Density | |
| N3E | 100 | 100 |
| N3P | 95/90 | 104 |
| N3X | 88.5/83.7*** | 114.4*** |
| N2 | 75/70 | 115 |
FYI, the Samir Bashir articles at igorslab.de are just filler, badly informed, and can be safely ignored.Has he lost his mind?
I am betting that it is not N3 of any flavor but rather N2.If Zen6 is using 3nm, which 3nm node will it specifically use? There are many.
N3B
N3E
N3P
N3X
A late 2026 release suggests that it could use any of these, because all four of them would be in mass production by that time.
It's most likely N3P or N3X though.
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N3X is a substantial upgrade over N3P. There's even a 1.1x density improvement*** over N3P, which in turn is a 1.04x density improvement over N3E.
Power Density N3E 100 100 N3P 95/90 104 N3X 88.5/83.7*** 114.4*** N2 75/70 115
N3X is surprisingly close to N2.
***Only at the same performance level.
Hmm, I don't know, it seems weird to me then how Apple is upgrading to 16GB in base models and still maintaining prices while being at 3nm then. It cannot be THAT expensive.
Yeah their margin on Mac Mini M4 RAM and SSD or so bad they might get poor quickly[...]and if Apple converts 5 or 10% of those "Mac-curious" customers it is well worth selling one model at lower margins than the rest of the Mac line.
Yeah their margin on Mac Mini M4 RAM and SSD or so bad they might poor quickly
It's a shrink of Zen 1 with improved clock rates that took 13 months to follow Zen.
AMD already launched the N3E shrink of Zen 5C only months after the N4P version and you're saying they're less nimble?
The problem is cadence. Zen 5 is a Q1 2024 product that launched in Q3. Zen 6 is a competitive product in Q3 2025 but it launches in... 2027?
X925 is ~15% lower 1T performance than Intel and AMD's newest desktop chips. In a phone. It has similar performance to their laptop chips.ARM - Don't be fooled by IPC improvements their clocks are still too low to feasible on desktop/laptop
I think they won't. There is more to the x86 ecosystem than IPC.X925 is ~15% lower 1T performance than Intel and AMD's newest desktop chips. In a phone. It has similar performance to their laptop chips.
X930 will match GR/ARL desktop. In a phone! and exceed their laptop chips.
They're going to lose one of the last two volume markets that x86 has - laptops.
Microsoft is prioritizing WoA for a reason.
Yeah, like bad battery life and less competition. Qualcomm and ARM are designing these cores every year anyway for the phone market. It adds to their TAM by pushing into laptops now that they can match the performance of Strix Point/Lunar Lake/Arrow Lake and exceed it next year.I think they won't. There is more to the x86 ecosystem than IPC.
I put Strix on a 3-2 N3e and now it's 30% faster.X925 is ~15% lower 1T performance than Intel and AMD's newest desktop chips. In a phone. It has similar performance to their laptop chips.
And when is AMD doing that?I put Strix on a 3-2 N3e and now it's 30% faster.
Not iso node, not relevant/fair/yaddayadda.
Medusa mobile! But it'll be N3e and in early 2027.And when is AMD doing that?