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MrSquished

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gothuevos said:
@MrSquished appreciate the optimism and ideas, but I think we all need to take a hard look at things and realize it's basically "over" for now, for at least a generation. The battle is over. They have consolidated power and whatever is coming our way will only cement their power even more.

Worst case scenario, we become like Hungary/Russia/Iran where we have sham elections. Best case scenario, maybe Dems break through and win a little here and there, but the GOP will have institutionalized their power so much that outside of massive Dem supermajorities which will never happen, they will be unable to really effectively govern. And as you've pointed out yourself, the media ecosystem is built to effectively insulate the GOP from any real criticism or backlash from the voters - this will always fall on Dems.

Someone on X said this best - we need to stop thinking about 2026, 2028, etc. This needs to be about 2050, 2060 because that's probably the earliest we can emerge from this. It will be the next generation and generation after that.

“A society grows great when old men plant trees in whose shade they shall never sit” - this is where we are at right now.
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Who said I was being optimistic? I don't think I've said anything optimistic.

We are having a discussion of what went wrong. Nothing I'm saying is optimistic. It's self-examination of what brought us here at least from the Democrats point of view. Why we lost.

While everyone is seeking to blame this and that about the party platform or Kamala or this or that, and only look internally since July, my take is that it's absolutely silly to not look at the reality of what happened. Instead of just blaming progressive Democrats versus centrist Democrats and this and that.

The main issues were the Biden steamrolling the primaries, and also a right-wing media sphere. Biden fucking us left us with him having to drop out thankfully , but it left us with the only viable candidate in having to deal with the extreme racism and sexism of this country. We were denied a primary to avoid this. We can't change Biden fucking us and the Dems who let it happen, besides trying to push them out of the party apparatus , but the only thing we can start to create is a reality sphere, to just even start to solve that part of the problem. As long as media is allowed to speak against the federal government. But as I stated nobody who has the resources seems to even give a shit. So no I'm not optimistic.

The US is likely fucked for decades. As I was telling my mom today, the main things that stopped authoritarian regimes of major Western nations in modern times was a massive military effort.

Russia is loving what it's seeing, and it's military is a joke anyway compared to ours. I'm not sure how China is going to feel but they're definitely going to enjoy watching the US eat itself for a while. They have absolutely no interest in stopping us from becoming authoritarian.

There is absolutely no stopping trumpism militarily. It's going to have to cup happen from within.

99% that doesn't happen for decades.

As I stated in a post this evening, I'll be working next year on the state and local level, local including a gubernatorial primary and election next year. My take was may as well make things better on the state and local level before the brown shirts in the Trump parties federal government take all that away.

If I'm talking about a temporary state and local reprieve before the brown shirts comes - I'm not really sure where my sense of optimism is coming from.
 
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gothuevos

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MrSquished said:
Who said I was being optimistic? I don't think I've said anything optimistic.

We are having a discussion of what went wrong. Nothing I'm saying is optimistic. It's self-examination of what brought us here at least from the Democrats point of view. Why we lost.

While everyone is seeking to blame this and that about the party platform or Kamala or this or that, and only look internally since July, my take is that it's absolutely silly to not look at the reality of what happened. Instead of just blaming progressive Democrats versus centrist Democrats and this and that.

The main issues were the Biden steamrolling the primaries, and also a right-wing media sphere. Biden fucking us left us with him having to drop out thankfully , but it left us with the only viable candidate in having to deal with the extreme racism and sexism of this country. We were denied a primary to avoid this. We can't change Biden fucking us and the Dems who let it happen, besides trying to push them out of the party apparatus , but the only thing we can start to create is a reality sphere, to just even start to solve that part of the problem. As long as media is allowed to speak against the federal government. But as I stated nobody who has the resources seems to even give a shit. So no I'm not optimistic.

The US is likely fucked for decades. As I was telling my mom today, the main things that stopped authoritarian regimes of major Western nations in modern times was a massive military effort.

Russia is loving what it's seeing, and it's military is a joke anyway compared to ours. I'm not sure how China is going to feel but they're definitely going to enjoy watching the US eat itself for a while. They have absolutely no interest in stopping us from becoming authoritarian.

There is absolutely no stopping trumpism militarily. It's going to have to cup happen from within.

99% that doesn't happen for decades.

As I stated in a post this evening, I'll be working next year on the state and local level, local including a gubernatorial primary and election next year. My take was may as well make things better on the state and local level before the brown shirts in the Trump parties federal government take all that away.

If I'm talking about a temporary state and local reprieve before the brown shirts comes - I'm not really sure where my sense of optimism is coming from.
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Yeah, might be a good time to exercise some federalism while you still can. If you have the means, find a state that suits you. I'm sure some state AGs will try to challenge whatever Trump throws their way, but ultimately with SCOTUS and immunity on his side, it won't be enough. But the legal process might slow this down by a couple of years or so.

After that, any state defying orders will have the Insurrection Act pulled on them and quelled instantly.
 
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Indus

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Fenixgoon said:
so, the normal conservative whipping points won people over.
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Interesting looking at Nevada.

Every incumbent in Congress and the Senate but Kam lost.
Pretty much the same all around..

That people are somehow distinguishing between dems and the POTUS.



The PA one hits the hardest where the senate seat flipped.
 
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Grabo

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I thought this was funny
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“A president certainly can be talking about interest rates, because I think I have very good instincts,” Trump said in a Bloomberg News interview less than two weeks after he claimed he deserved a say.


“That doesn’t mean I’m calling the shot, but it does mean that I should have a right to be able to talk about it like anybody else,” he said.


He made similar claims a month ago at an event hosted by the Economic Club of Chicago. “I have the right to say I think you should go up and down a little bit. I don’t think I should be allowed to order it, but I think I have the right to put in comments as to whether or not interest rates should go up or down.”


His comments were met with silence from the crowd."
 

hal2kilo

Lifer
Feb 24, 2009
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Grabo said:
I thought this was funny
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“A president certainly can be talking about interest rates, because I think I have very good instincts,” Trump said in a Bloomberg News interview less than two weeks after he claimed he deserved a say.


“That doesn’t mean I’m calling the shot, but it does mean that I should have a right to be able to talk about it like anybody else,” he said.


He made similar claims a month ago at an event hosted by the Economic Club of Chicago. “I have the right to say I think you should go up and down a little bit. I don’t think I should be allowed to order it, but I think I have the right to put in comments as to whether or not interest rates should go up or down.”


His comments were met with silence from the crowd."
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Once again, this just shows how much he does not understand how the Fed works. One of the number one things you don't talk about is what you are actually going to do in the future as this cues people with money to make their moves in anticipation. He's still a clueless fuck.
 

cytg111

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Indus said:
Interesting

https://twitter.com/x/status/1854341845762859184

Apparently not enough showed up to the polls
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I think something like 70% of first time male voters hit the Trump button.

Men suck. Sorry but we do. We should not be allowed anywhere near positions of power... 90% of men in power is doing cause it gives access to more pussy and fancy cars. Yea. Let those idiots run nations. Banging idea.
 
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ondma

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Well, here is the problem guys. Trump didn't win because more of those despicable deplorables in the electorate came out to vote for him. Trumps vote total is very close to his 2020 total. Kamala lost because HER OWN PEOPLE didnt come out to vote for her. Something about her campaign just didnt motivate or inspire people sufficiently. I am sick of all the whining about how horrible the electorate is. It is like a bunch of cry babies on the Super Bowl losing team. Cry about the Referees, cry about the weather, say the other team didnt play fair, say the field was too slippery, say the sports media gave the other team too much press, or whatever. Blame everything but the way your own team played. This election should clearly be a wake up call for the Dems to re-examine the way they present their message, and try to win back the working middle class, and at least some of the rural vote.
 
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Greenman

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ondma said:
Well, here is the problem guys. Trump didn't win because more of those despicable deplorables in the electorate came out to vote for him. Trumps vote total is very close to his 2020 total. Kamala lost because HER OWN PEOPLE didnt come out to vote for her. Something about her campaign just didnt motivate or inspire people sufficiently. I am sick of all the whining about how horrible the electorate is. It is like a bunch of cry babies on the Super Bowl losing team. Cry about the Referees, cry about the weather, say the other team didnt play fair, say the field was too slippery, say the sports media gave the other team too much press, or whatever. Blame everything but the way your own team played. This election should clearly be a wake up call for the Dems to re-examine the way they present their message, and try to win back the working middle class, and at least some of the rural vote.
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Maybe it's not the way the dem's present their message, but the message itself? Perhaps it's the actions that didn't sell?
 
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Indus

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cytg111 said:
I think something like 70% of first time male voters hit the Trump button.

Men suck. Sorry but we do. We should not be allowed anywhere near positions of power... 90% of men in power is doing cause it gives access to more pussy and fancy cars. Yea. Let those idiots run nations. Banging idea.
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There's an old saying.. behind every successful man is a woman. Just look at how many women voted for him.. it's not a small number!
 
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Moonbeam

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Greenman said:
Maybe it's not the way the dem's present their message, but the message itself? Perhaps it's the actions that didn't sell?
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Maybe it's because deep down people want the numbness of their lives to to be shattered by chaos. In a world full of psychically dead people, traumatically no longer capable of real self love, the only way back for them without re-experiencing the actual traumatic events will be to experience vicariously a semblance of the events, chaos and Armageddon in the present. Humanity lives with a death wish that is out of conscious awareness but is easy to see when you know what to look for or have relived your past and understood what happened with grown up eyes. Sadly things were very bad and most would rather die than wake up. Even the woke don't know what awakening means. They just mean angry at those who victimize others. The anger is still sick and what you hate because you bought into the lies that you have no right to complain.

To complain is closer to truth than acceptance of conformity regardless of the fact it is still sick, because the first step in any cure is to express some sign of life there's a problem somewhere. It was complaining as a child that got you killed and why you hate it when you see it. Just saying it to you, not complaining about you. Behind all of what to me is a rats nest of screwed up moral beliefs you hold, I feel in you a love of the good that survived.

Unlike so many here I don't blame you for what you had to believe to survive. But the way is open now to see differently. I believe I believe very much like you do, but I no longer believe in belief. Now I know the freedom that loss brings. I couldn't hold on. Hope you let go too. I always liked Lennon's song, IMAGINE.
 
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Moonbeam

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Indus said:
There's an old saying.. behind every successful man is a woman. Just look at how many women voted for him.. it's not a small number!
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If cytg111 is right that the majority of men are sick then the majority of fathers fuck up being fathers just like they fuck up politics so most of those women who back successful men do so because they were fucked up by them. Why isn't that obvious?
 
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outriding

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Greenman said:
Maybe it's not the way the dem's present their message, but the message itself? Perhaps it's the actions that didn't sell?
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I agree that the dems should had a stronger message and hammered it home harder. It still was a good message


But on the flip side. The gop had a more of a comfort food message for a lack of a better term..

Eg the economy is bad trump will make it better… but in reality it was good wages are up stock market it up and etc..

Crime is bad … again easily provable that is better now than under trump

Going to make other countries pay by putting tariffs on stuff.

Going to ship all illegals outta the country. How. Do we have a database of all of them and where they live.. what would be the impact of that. It’s like people think they live here and just live off the government. But they dont

This are the things people want to hear. They are all lies. Ut that is it
 

MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
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ondma said:
Well, here is the problem guys. Trump didn't win because more of those despicable deplorables in the electorate came out to vote for him. Trumps vote total is very close to his 2020 total. Kamala lost because HER OWN PEOPLE didnt come out to vote for her. Something about her campaign just didnt motivate or inspire people sufficiently. I am sick of all the whining about how horrible the electorate is. It is like a bunch of cry babies on the Super Bowl losing team. Cry about the Referees, cry about the weather, say the other team didnt play fair, say the field was too slippery, say the sports media gave the other team too much press, or whatever. Blame everything but the way your own team played. This election should clearly be a wake up call for the Dems to re-examine the way they present their message, and try to win back the working middle class, and at least some of the rural vote.
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My God your cousin has eggs is way less annoying than you by now
 
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lopri

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MrSquished

Lifer
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lopri said:
Liberals would not mind a national election day.

I do not believe media matters that much. What matters is the candidates and policies.
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The liberals want to make election day a national holiday so everybody has time to vote.

The fact you try to mix this up with Lara Trump talking about federalizing the actual election process is pretty sad. That would mean taking the process away from the states.

And if you think the media and how messaging gets to people doesn't matter then you're just either completely ignorant, or really stupid, or perhaps your mind has been melted by said right-wing media.
 
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dank69

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Look it comes down to this:

When Republicans are in charge, Democrats only talk about what's wrong with the economy and Republicans only talk about what's great about the economy.

When Democrats are in charge, Republicans only talk about what's wrong with the economy and Democrats only talk about what's wrong with the economy.

This one truth permeates all media outlets whether they're liberal or conservative or other, and all political discourse among voters of all stripes.
 
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