Biggest Democratic mistake in the last 4 years: letting Biden steamroll a primary.

Indus said:

You're not far off on the incel victimization btw.. I was there.

I hope I don't get banned for this but I'll be honest (maybe a bit too honest)..

As someone who wasn't a ladies man in the states and got laid a shit ton overseas.. I realized one thing.. most women are MATERIALISTIC.

For American women they want a guy who broadens their horizons and net worth that they can't make themselves..

The same for foreign women.. as an American you immediately broaden their horizons and are exotic and might even be the one to get them a green card which is like winning a lottery for them so they throw themselves at you willingly.

But for the most part, of course you are right.. the bottom % of men are getting shafted and are being turned into INCELS. And the right wing network isn't going to like mixed color babies (as they want a white christian country) and they'll look to exploit the toxicity in men who haven't figured out how to make the trip overseas to get to women who will actually value a man.

It is what it is.. I don't know what the fix is.. maybe increase education levels and give men better job skills so they can hold their own financially and no more lop side alimonies!


I can't even blame women.. if they want to take care of someone and spend their money on.. a cat or dog is much more reasonable financially and security wise than a psycho boyfriend who might kill you.

Meanwhile the right's solution is tradwives.. lol

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Sunburn74 said:

I don't blame women.
I've been with tons of women and I think your experience is kind of true and I think many men would agree with you. I'm lucky enough to make more money than 99% of people and to be taller than 95% of men and be in excellent shape so I have no issues attracting almost all the women I come across. However I've heard so many women say to me they would never even look at a man who makes less than them as a long term partner, despite some of these women making as much money as I do. If you're good looking they'll have a fling or a short term thing, but for long term you have to make more money than she does and have a lifestyle upgrade or they won't be interested. Standards have changed. Anyway, I'm just saying that the average 5'9 man making 50K a year isn't exactly killing it with women in this country but is having a very very challenging time.

I'm not here proposing solutions either. I'm just saying one side talks to men and the other side patronizes them. There was an ad Harris ran in Vegas where the ad is a woman dressed in a maga flag head to toe. The women goes into a voting booth and the ad says "hey in the voting booth, no one is watching so you can vote for harris safely and tell your husband you voted for trump". Like how crazy patronizing is that ad? It makes women seem like they have to cower from their monstrous husbands and it makes it seem like men aren't smart enough to know harris is the best choice for the country?

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MrSquished said:

Nothing man. Absolutely nothing in the Democratic platform helps men. It only helps trans people, gay people, and women, and minority women, but not minority men.

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Indus said:

Yeah that was my problem here.. I got laid a few times.. (less than 30) counting my teens and 20's till I went overseas and then it was 36 different women in the first month! (no hookers)

I thought it was just me for a long time and I was in a depression before over a woman who I thought was my soulmate chose to end it and ended up marrying a guy who looked hideous compared to me, spoke broken english but was going to become a cardiologist till I figured out how the world works.

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Sunburn74 said:

Look I'm as liberal blue as anyone. I care about women, women's right and women's issues. However if you look at every social metric that's of importance men are doing worse

Most likely to be in prison? Men
Most likely to be homeless? Men
Most likely to be unemployed? Men
Most likely to be killed or involved in violent crime? Men
Most likely to commit suicide? Men
Most likely to be addicted to drugs? Men
Most likely to not go to college? Men
Who lives shorter lives overall? Men
Look at divorce in society: 80% initiated by women, 93 percent of alimony (not childsupport btw, talking about alimony. childsupport is in addition to alimony) flows from man to woman, and 83% of custody goes to the woman.
Even when you look at childhood education, boys are doing worse than girls these days (some people think its because there' s been tremendous resources put into helping girls performance in grade school and boys have sort of been ignored)

It goes on and on. The income and education gap is closing between men and women and many men are finding themselves now undateable to women. Go look at the average dating app experience for a man, swiping for months desperately to only get 1-2 dates. This is psychologically extremely damaging to men to have a job and be undateable, alone and depressed. I mean there's a stat out there that if you look at single men under the age of 30, something like 30% haven't had sex in a year and its not by choice.

I'm not saying women don't have social issues worth talking about. I'm just saying Trump and the right wing are out there talking to men about how society has turned their backs on them and to some degree I actually agree with them. I mean Desantis and his florida goons passed meager alimony reform, and women lost their shit. Thus why men as a voting block are actually going more and more to the right, and its not a surprise to me its occurring at the same time society tries to paint many generally masculine features as being bad or detrimental.

There's very little discussion in society of how men are feeling and doing as a group because its assumed they are holding all the power and doing great, when the reality is a few men are doing very well but most men are actually kind of struggling. Woimen are great and I totally support all their issues but women also have this little amazing safety net called MEN. A woman can almost always find some guy who will give her the shirt on his back and support her financially but men just don't have that option in general. Just my two cents (as a man who is doing very well BTW).

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Sunburn74 said:

Wow 36 women in a month? That more than a day!

I'm not sure the dating market stuff can be influenced too much by the goverment but the media could certainly put out a message that its ok for men to make less than the woman their with and that its ok for women to date men who make less. Not sure that would work though. Some people think the female preferences for wealthier men is hardwired biologically since its found in almost all cultures across time. Maybe AI powered sex robots is the answer lol. That'd be one hell of a political platform: decriminalizing weed and an AI powered sex robot for every tax paying man and woman in the US.

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MrSquished said:

Maybe we have to start telling men that having healthcare coverage more easily is good for men. Let's tell men that raising wages is good for men. We're raising wages for men! Let's tell men that more affordable housing is good for men! We're looking to help stop climate change for your sons And your brothers and your nephews! Making sure that the lower middle classes make more money it's it's for the men in the lower middle classes! Let's just put men in every sentence since nothing we do actually pertain to them.

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KMFJD said:

they just need to court more lifelong republican voters and slide to the center more

https://twitter.com/x/status/1855019283530891427

shocking i know

https://twitter.com/x/status/1855010594207781258

just amazing....hit after hit

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MrSquished said:

Nothing man. Absolutely nothing in the Democratic platform helps men. It only helps trans people, gay people, and women, and minority women, but not minority men.

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nickqt said:

You're talking to me here safely in our bubble. I already know that men will benefit.

I'm asking you, what is the Democratic Party offering MEN, not everyone...MEN...

Remember, we're trying to pick up voters. Telling some 18 year old that if trans and women get X, he'll get it too...doesn't always work.

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nickqt said:

You're talking to me here safely in our bubble. I already know that men will benefit.

I'm asking you, what is the Democratic Party offering MEN, not everyone...MEN...

Remember, we're trying to pick up voters. Telling some 18 year old that if trans and women get X, he'll get it too...doesn't always work.

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Fanatical Meat said:

Here is the brutal reality that we must face. Does supporting trans folks so much add value or does it actually hurt trans folks? Maybe going forward not be cruel about the trans issue but just leave it at we all deserve some respect.

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DisarmedDespot said:

Trans rights is one issue that only directly affects a tiny minority, but trying to toss it will cause significant issues with the rest of the dem coalition. Dropping trans rights would go over poorly with the progressive wing, and by 'go over poorly' I mean 'they will go back into open revolt' at a time when the party's already a circular firing squad. I'm not sure it actually costs many votes, it energizes Trump's base but I haven't seen polls saying anyone else cares. There's only so many positions you can drop before you're just Republicans Lite.

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Fanatical Meat said:

Not saying drop it. Just leave it at everyone deserves respect.

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Indus said:

All lives matter!

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[DHT]Osiris said:

I heard a saying once: if the grass is greener on the other side, tend to your lawn.

Everyone has power over their own lives, and outside of some very specific issues (institutional racism for example) all the shit you listed above is completely within the power of the person experiencing it.

Now a big problem comes when an no ocean of beta males are told by someone who sees himself an alpha that all their problems are someone else's fault. Fully willing to absolve themselves of responsibility, they abdicate it to others and seethe in rage at what, and for as long, as they are told to.

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MrSquished said:

Nothing man. Absolutely nothing in the Democratic platform helps men. It only helps trans people, gay people, and women, and minority women, but not minority men.

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Moonbeam said:

It’s challenging to keep up with who is thinking what but I sense a debate over the need for Democrats needing to move to the right or not to follow and appeal to more voters who are doing so. I think you can become them or you can attempt to explain to them that a shift to the right is a death wish that happens when one’s own mind creates fears that make life unbearable. The will to move right is just a part of exactly that, in my opinion.

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ivwshane said:

It’s highly unlikely voters are moving to the right. Liberal policies have, high favorables. When you talk to people who aren’t partisan but voted for Trump, you’ll see the issue isn’t that democrats don’t have good policies or bad messaging, despite them saying exactly that, because if you actually dig deeper and probe them for more information you’ll quickly realize their views are completely distorted by right wing propaganda. It’s why complicated issues end up being boiled down to stupid sound bites, because of right wing/republican spin. Try it for yourself, think of an issue and look at how it’s framed. Pro life vs pro abortion? Almost no one is for abortions but many people are for allowing women to have bodily autonomy. Illegal immigrants vs border security? No one is for illegal immigration or against border security but that’s how it’s boiled down to instead of a better immigration process/system vs restricting immigration. Healthcare? It’s boiled down to socialism vs privatized/for profit.

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MrSquished said:

That's exactly what the Kamala Harris team did for her campaign. They did exactly that. Trans people and activists were pissed at Kamala. The felt completely abandoned and were vocal about it.

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Indus said:

I think you are overlooking one simple fact:

She ran a campaign designed to protect a lead and limit losses when she never really had a lead!

Going on Rogan or reaching out to more voters would have helped by expanding the map but she doubled down on defense and Trump ran out the clock by not debating her again.

Sadly you and others gave it their all but you were with stupid!

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