I have seen many game reviews for the Snapdragon 8 Elite.
It tends to heat up quickly if not properly tuned.
The worst offender is, once again, the "small core only" strategy of Xiaomi devices. The small core's efficiency is actually not good, and the gaming performance is
It seems the scheduling strategy is very important.not much better than some 8 Gen 3 devices.
I'm not saying that the 8 Elite is "a fire dragon", in fact a lot of phones with good tuning have great performance. But just one phone with bad tuning will shift the view of people about the chipset. Xiaomi 15 is a popular one, in fact.
Why did ARM sue Qualcomm?
In its third-quarter financial report released on the 7th (local time), royalty issues between Arm and Qualcomm became apparent. For the second consecutive quarter, Armv9 royalties as a percentage of revenue have stagnated at around 25%. This is the first time this has occurred since Armv9 royalties were included in the financial statements. Armv9 is the 9th version of the Arm ISA and serves as the foundation for Oryon. If Arm had increased the royalty rate for Oryon from Qualcomm, the results might have been different.
PC royalties are also on a downward trend. While Arm’s share of royalties in the consumer electronics market (including PCs) has increased from 24% to 30% over the past two years, royalty prices have decreased by 23%. This is partially related to Snapdragon X. Due to the low royalty rate, Qualcomm’s manufacturing costs for Snapdragon X are not high, allowing Microsoft to procure Snapdragon X at a low cost and set a significantly lower price for its Copilot PC. This pricing structure is reducing Arm’s royalty revenue.
While efficient wise is not that Impressive that thing use less area than even Cortex A720, it will be crucial for Qualcomm if they want to use it in midrange and lowend soc.Yeah, like I said, Oryon M core is not that impressive, all I see is a core clocked very high to boost MT as much as possible, unlike Apple that clocks its E core very low, there is no way it doesn't clock much higher with its efficiency.
Disagree w/ the "higher clock = generally bad" argument given the relative efficiency of the core at those speeds.Yeah, like I said, Oryon M core is not that impressive, all I see is a core clocked very high to boost MT as much as possible, unlike Apple that clocks its E core very low, there is no way it doesn't clock much higher with its efficiency.
Disagree w/ the "higher clock = generally bad" argument given the relative efficiency of the core at those speeds.
There's some cognitive dissonance given the inefficiency of prior higher clocked CPUs like the P4, POWER5 or Bulldozer, but the operating clocks are an implementation detail: the machine was designed to operate at those clocks. Memory latency for instance is a lot less impactful at lower clocks and higher clocked designs will need more aggressive ways to achieve data-locality (better pre-fetchers, more load-store resources etc.).
The point is: a win is a win if the sum of those design decisions still results in better PPA.
Gpu yes cpu you can only reduce frequency.Which reminds me, it's still possible to install some application on current gen devices to control governor and clock speed?
I'm the past it was possible, I remember even changing the voltage.
It may also mean the pipeline length for Apple's E-cores is simply shorter which has trade offs for peak clock (i.e. when some pipeline stage has to take a certain amount of time by design because more gets done relative to a longer pipeline design...). I could be wrong, but I don't remember the pipeline length for the E-cores off the top of my head...I agree, I just mean that people compare it with Apple E cores that are weak in comparison, what I'm saying is that Apple is deliberately clocking these cores very low, if you check their architecture diagram and their power consumption graph, I don't see how that's anywhere near what's possible for Apple E cores.
Still nothing using A725 to compare with?Data from Geekerwan and others do confirm that the efficiency of Oryon-M is not as good as the A18 E-core or the Dimensity 9400's Cortex A720.
D8400 is coming soon, problem is many midrange use 4nm, it won't be fair comparison.Still nothing using A725 to compare with?
Gives a rough estimate at least when you factor in the claimed node differences.D8400 is coming soon, problem is many midrange use 4nm, it won't be fair comparison.
| Hamoa SKUs | Boost clock | Base clock |
| X1E-00-1DE | 4.3 GHz | 3.8 GHz |
| X1E-84-100 | 4.2 GHz | 3.8 GHz |
| X1E-80-100 | 4.0 GHz | 3.4 GHz |
| X1E-78-100 | - | 3.4 GHz |
| X1P-66-100 | 4.0 GHz | 3.4 GHz |
| X1P-64-100 | - | 3.4 GHz |
I think you are very much overestimating the performance increase. I am highly skeptical that there will be another 40+ percent performance gain. Just seems like far too much. Big time kudos if they can, but I just don’t think that is a likely outcome. A score of 4000 would be a 25% increase, that would be impressive by itself.@FlameTail I don’t buy that rumour.
Qualcomm never targets 20%, my take is that that’s the minimum percentage improvement from SME only. The score will go higher as QC will have new cores with higher IPC and clocks.
If the 5.0GHz clock is true then I am expecting 4500-5000 in ST GB6. Qualcomm now achieves 3200 at 4.3GHz. 20% from SME will be 4000. IPC improves will be 10-20% and clocks may increase 15%.
People are going to be shocked next year, I think.
Wot?
Looking at A18 Pro scores in GB6.2 and GB6.3, it seems SME only adds about 5% to the score.my take is that that’s the minimum percentage improvement from SME only.
Excessive expectations may lead to catastrophic disappointments.The score will go higher as QC will have new cores with higher IPC and clocks.
If the 5.0GHz clock is true then I am expecting 4500-5000 in ST GB6.
Also it's interesting to think what this bodes for Snapdragon X2.
Translated from Chinese to English by Google.This year's test of ARM processors gave me a very bad impression, that is, it is extremely difficult to run at full frequency, as if the entire Fmax is specially customized for digital media to play with dry ice and liquid nitrogen to brush scores. Qualcomm 8E is fine as a mobile phone processor, even Mac Mini can score a full generation higher at low temperatures, so which score should be used?
As I'm playing, I've begun to miss the days when the M1 max would not throttle no matter how hard I pushed it.
So Samsung is about to fail in their semiconductor bussiness?Rumour:
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According to previous rumours, 8 Elite G2 was supposed to be dual sourced between Samsung Foundry (SF2) and TSMC (N3P). If this rumour is true, those plans have been cancelled by Qualcomm.
This is not a good sign about the viability of the Samsung SF2 node.
Doubt it. Not anytime soon.So Samsung is about to fail in their semiconductor bussiness?
As long as they keep getting money from their government, no. It just means they're likely to be their only customer. Or one of the few.So Samsung is about to fail in their semiconductor bussiness?
So Samsung is about to fail in their semiconductor bussiness?