Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

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eek2121

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Userskidmark makes MSN news. Maybe Im completely clueless on this, but as a benchmarking website owner and software developer who makes money from the effort, wouldnt you want to BE KNOWN for being completely honest and objective in what your site and benchmark suite represents, and use that notoriety for further grow your userbase? Not to mention, you know, morals and integrity?

Even the trolls at WCCFTECH eventually know when their bread is buttered, and either go silent or jump trains before they go completely off the track. The only plausible explanation can be that the site and software are completely bankrolled by Intel marketing, therefore they have the green light from Intel to mislead people this way. Thats good and fine until the link is made, then it begins to reflect really badly on Intel. Pat should put a stop to this, lol, it reflects really bad on Intel.

 

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I hope strix halo finds its way into a miniPC. It would make a great Steam console.

Yes, that is quite interesting indeed.

Its going to be an embedded CPU, and likely require special cooling to achieve optimal CPU + graphics performance, but Im sure some of the cut down variants could make it.
 

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I hope strix halo finds its way into a miniPC.

Strix halo will have RDNA3.5, it’s not bad but RDNA4 is going to be a leap. Medusa Halo is one to look forward to interms of gaming. I do think AI folks will like Strix Halo though.

For me personally I’m interested to see what the extra bandwidth does to Zen5 in consumer workloads.
 

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That's interesting

Also same clock Zen4 vs Zen5
Even more reason to show that Zen 5 is held back by the IOD much more than Zen 4 is. I really look forward to seeing how much potential there is to unlock when Zen 6 comes out. I don't expect the core itself to be massively reworked, but there ought to be obvious low hanging fruit AMD can pick for both the core and memory subsystem. If the new IOD to CCD connection is up to snuff, I then start wondering how much of a benefit V-cache will have...
 

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Strix halo will have RDNA3.5, it’s not bad but RDNA4 is going to be a leap. Medusa Halo is one to look forward to interms of gaming. I do think AI folks will like Strix Halo though.

For me personally I’m interested to see what the extra bandwidth does to Zen5 in consumer workloads.
What makes you think medusa halo is RDNA 4?
 

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Its going to be an embedded CPU, and likely require special cooling to achieve optimal CPU + graphics performance, but Im sure some of the cut down variants could make it.

Strix halo will have RDNA3.5, it’s not bad but RDNA4 is going to be a leap. Medusa Halo is one to look forward to interms of gaming. I do think AI folks will like Strix Halo though.

For me personally I’m interested to see what the extra bandwidth does to Zen5 in consumer workloads.

My current tiny MiniPC can cool 67-85W with effort, and it is a budget machine. A slightly larger system with a higher quality cooler could definitely work.

40CUs is nothing to sneeze at. It’ll be faster than the consoles and more than capable of gaming.

If only they would add V-Cache…
 

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40CUs is nothing to sneeze at. It’ll be faster than the consoles and more than capable of gaming.
A 40 CU Strix mini PC won’t be cost effective as a steam Console. Better off building an actual SFF PC. More modular.

Strix Halo makes most sense for one group of people and that’s LLM users. Gamers are better served by mobile RDNA4/RTX 50 laptops/SFF PCs.
 
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eek2121

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A 40 CU Strix mini PC won’t be cost effective as a steam Console. Better off building an actual SFF PC. More modular.

Strix Halo makes most sense for one group of people and that’s LLM users. Gamers are better served by mobile RDNA4/RTX 50 laptops/SFF PCs.
You are talking to someone who crammed a 4090 and a 7950X into a case not much larger than a shoe box.

There is demand for smaller, premium systems, even outside of gaming. Running a local LLM at 6800XT levels of performance in something the size of a mac mini would be amazing. Note that someone already crammed a 4090 laptop GPU and a 14900KF into a 3.8L system. (168x168x137mm/6.62x6.62x5.4in)
 

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A 40 CU Strix mini PC won’t be cost effective as a steam Console. Better off building an actual SFF PC. More modular.

Strix Halo makes most sense for one group of people and that’s LLM users. Gamers are better served by mobile RDNA4/RTX 50 laptops/SFF PCs.
Most dGPU laptops suck badly when it comes to idle power. That's where STXH comes in.

Like here's a comparison of Yoga Pro 7 (it's not even the best Strix laptop in terms of idle power on external monitor) to Zephyrus G16. That's 10 watts of additional idle power. There are better models like PX13, but even that one pulls 9W @ idle.

Not to mention that the entire point of having a GPU and CPU on one package is that it's cheaper than CPU + dGPU combo.
 
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