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Muse

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One thing I read a lot of its that Trump is going to just kick out the "right" people and not them, their families, or people they know who are "hard workers" or who have been here for years. They support Trump and they believe that some kind of moral judgement about their character the admin makes is going to take care of them. So basically they are making an emotional choice on something where the risk of being wrong plausibly carries extremely severe consequences.
Reported tonight, Stephen Miller is going for deporting all undocumented people in the USA. I saw something today suggesting that if you weren't born in the USA they may try to push you out too.
 

outriding

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I've boiled it down to this.

I don't give a flying fuck if a trump voter suffers the consequences of a trump policy. Zero fucks given.

I still support Democratic policies that support all Americans no matter who you voted for.

But if anyone starts complaining about the effects of Trump's presidency. I'll be like who'd you vote for. Oh Trump? Well ha ha, fuck you, moving on.

I agree

I would like to add no bailouts for industries that hurt by trump policies that primarily vote red
 

jdubs03

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Ugh bye bye environment. Well that was really never in doubt. I just found a drill drill drill comment ridiculous considering we are at record domestic oil and gas production. Trying to destroy the IRA and tailpipe regulations though not a surprise, it’s still just enraging. Fucking morons. I’m really worried about NOAA too.
He will ensure fair and swift deregulatory decisions that will be enacted in a way to unleash the power of American businesses, while at the same time maintaining the highest environmental standards, including the cleanest air and water on the planet.
^This is up there for biggest lie told.


Maybe and I say maybe, this is neutral for Ukraine. We’ll see but I think he’s more of a Russia hawk then many other choices.
 
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MrSquished

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That’s pretty much how I’ve been feeling. It’s not great I’ll admit, because we should be rooting for all of our citizens. But yeah, I mean with what we know and how some of these people voted, I just don’t care for the excuses and complaining that will come from Trumps’ policies.

The shitty thing is is that these these policies are gonna hurt all of us too. It’s inescapable. Unless you’re making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year.
Yes they will hurt me too. But I'm a straight white middle class male, so while I'm not rich, I have a bit more time than some of these other dumb shitty fucks so I'll get some laughter in
 
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nickqt

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Ugh bye bye environment. Well that was really never in doubt. I just found a drill drill drill comment ridiculous considering we are at record domestic oil and gas production. Trying to destroy the IRA and tailpipe regulations though not a surprise, it’s still just enraging. Fucking morons. I’m really worried about NOAA too.

^This is up there for biggest lie told.


Maybe and I say maybe, this is neutral for Ukraine. We’ll see but I think he’s more of a Russia hawk then many other choices.
Looking at the state of Florida as a whole, I think anyone who gets elected from there is in it for the money and power. I don't think Rubio has principles.

Has Rubio ever expressed interest in money and power?
 

jdubs03

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Looking at the state of Florida as a whole, I think anyone who gets elected from there is in it for the money and power. I don't think Rubio has principles.

Has Rubio ever expressed interest in money and power?
Yea idk, I’m just trying to be optimistic.
 

manly

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Ugh bye bye environment. Well that was really never in doubt. I just found a drill drill drill comment ridiculous considering we are at record domestic oil and gas production. Trying to destroy the IRA and tailpipe regulations though not a surprise, it’s still just enraging. Fucking morons. I’m really worried about NOAA too.

^This is up there for biggest lie told.


Maybe and I say maybe, this is neutral for Ukraine. We’ll see but I think he’s more of a Russia hawk then many other choices.
SoS takes orders from POTUS Daddy Vladdy. Marco is not gonna go rogue.
 

Sunburn74

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Maybe she has a point??

She's right about a lot of things. Rather than focus on economic issues that help the working class, they focus on social/cultural stuff because if they focus on the econonic stuff that most democrats wants to see happen, it'll hurt the rich lobbies who support the democratic party. They know that a lot of people who are democratic have a problem with the oligarchs who suppor the party so they're kind of stuck and just focus on identity stuff but don't really try to do economic stuff for the working class.
Biden could have legalized weed and gotten people out of jail. He didn't.
They didn't listen to men. They didn't listen to latino's or blacks or young people and took their votes for granted.
They crush left or progressive movements/candidates and only fight dirty when its vs progressives rising in their party. Vs republicans they decide to play it safe, stick to the rules, and keep everything noncontroversial.
It is what it is.
 

MrSquished

Lifer
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She's right about a lot of things. Rather than focus on economic issues that help the working class, they focus on social/cultural stuff because if they focus on the econonic stuff that most democrats wants to see happen, it'll hurt the rich lobbies who support the democratic party. They know that a lot of people who are democratic have a problem with the oligarchs who suppor the party so they're kind of stuck and just focus on identity stuff but don't really try to do economic stuff for the working class.
Biden could have legalized weed and gotten people out of jail. He didn't.
They didn't listen to men. They didn't listen to latino's or blacks or young people and took their votes for granted.
They crush left or progressive movements/candidates and only fight dirty when its vs progressives rising in their party. Vs republicans they decide to play it safe, stick to the rules, and keep everything noncontroversial.
It is what it is.
Democrats don't focus on economic issues? That's fascinating. Infrastructure. Healthcare. Housing costs. Unions. Labor rights. Wage increases. Wealth equality. Tax the wealthy, lower taxes on everyone else. Tax billioinaire's. Stop price gouging. But maybe focusing on abortion too just negated all this economic talk?

I'm starting to think that there are a bunch of men who lean Dem but literally don't exist in reality. I'm starting to think that some men just can't grasp that because finally....finally.....women are starting to encroach on the entrenched patriarchal power structure which has existed for millenia, which wholly oppressed them, and getting some real rights and equality, and they can't fucking take it - either they are pissed, or just want to blame anybody but other rich men who are the ones really fucking them. But we have to cater to them? I'm still trying to hear how we should cater to them, and then maybe we can explore that possibility.
 

Amol S.

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Supposedly the partisanship of people moving into TX is R+20. Florida is reportedly even worse.

Blue states should liberalize housing production so we can accept D leaners who want to move out of MAGAland and preserve house seats/EVs.
That actually is not the entire problem, especially in New York State. NYC has the problem you described, but if you were to look at places like Elmira, Jamestown, Watertown, and Binghamton, people are actually leaving those places. Buffalo population only recently stabilized.
 

jdubs03

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Democrats don't focus on economic issues? That's fascinating. Infrastructure. Healthcare. Housing costs. Unions. Labor rights. Wage increases. Wealth equality. Tax the wealthy, lower taxes on everyone else. Tax billioinaire's. Stop price gouging. But maybe focusing on abortion too just negated all this economic talk?
Well said. But, unfortunately either the message didn’t get across, or these people just weren’t listening. They probably tied Harris to the Biden administration too much so that even though she had good economic policies being proposed, they just didn’t believe her.

The general environment even globally was anti-incumbent; that may have been a factor in a broad sense.

But drilling down outside of the anti-incumbency bias, it was inflation, it was immigration, and it was the gender identity issues. All 3 of those for right or for wrong were Democratic headwinds this year.
 

jdubs03

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Guy isn’t even President yet and he’s making unprecedented (though somehow not unconstitutional) demands to neuter the Senate confirmation process. Even though the nominations will pass once the GQP is in the majority.
Not only that, he’s bitching about the Biden administration, nominating people into the judiciary and other positions. Which is ironic, considering the GQP did the exact same thing when Trump lost.

There is even his shenanigans about the ethics pledge (HA!) that he refuses to sign. Even though he was the one who signed the bill requiring this into law. What a putz.

And all these actions are just going to go right over his voters heads. Blissfully ignorant of the potential (likely) damage that their votes will cause.
 
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K1052

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Love that they are just going to cannibalize their likely narrow margins in the House.

Lol I saw a blurb from Mike Johnson about how he spoke with Trump and it was understood that he shouldn't pull from the House to staff up his admin and Trump's just doing it anyway.
 

pmv

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Presumably this is all "old news" to everyone here, but, God, what a POS (both this guy and Musk - who seems to be employing the same geographical trick that his fellow Trumpists in the "middle name" thread have)

 

K1052

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Presumably this is all "old news" to everyone here, but, God, what a POS (both this guy and Musk - who seems to be employing the same geographical trick that his fellow Trumpists in the "middle name" thread have)


Rick Scott's problem here is that the rest of the Senate Republicans also hate Rick Scott. There is a chance he's elected leader but probably slim.
 

pmv

Lifer
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why is it only bad when Democrats say one horrible thing and Republicans are allowed to blurt out this nonsense daily?

Well (not saying I necessarily agree with this argument, but it's a valid argument) the argument would be that Republicans don't _need_ to attract the votes of those they deride as "communists" and "ultra-leftists", whereas Biden's clumsy remarks risked driving away people who's votes the Democrats needed and just might have been able to get. It's just not symmetrical.

[Edit] especially as when Republicans make racist or xenophobic or misogynistic remarks many of those targeted just don't believe it includes _them_.
 
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Rick Scott's problem here is that the rest of the Senate Republicans also hate Rick Scott. There is a chance he's elected leader but probably slim.
Historically, the Senate (and Congress in general) often loathes other branches for getting up in their business and telling them how to do things, so Trump sticking his thumb on the scale might not be so great for himself.
 

K1052

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Historically, the Senate (and Congress in general) often loathes other branches for getting up in their business and telling them how to do things, so Trump sticking his thumb on the scale might not be so great for himself.

This is especially true for the Senate yes. Leadership election is also secret ballot I think.
 
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