The official consequences caused by the overturning of Roe thread

Brainonska511 · Nov 1, 2024

A Pregnant Teenager Died After Trying to Get Care in Three Visits to Texas Emergency Rooms

It took three ER visits and 20 hours before a hospital admitted Nevaeh Crain, 18, as her condition worsened. Doctors insisted on two ultrasounds to confirm “fetal demise.” She’s one of at least two Texas women who died under the state’s abortion ban.

www.propublica.org

A Pregnant Teenager Died After Trying to Get Care in Three Visits to Texas Emergency Rooms

It took three ER visits and 20 hours before a hospital admitted Nevaeh Crain, 18, as her condition worsened. Doctors insisted on two ultrasounds to confirm “fetal demise.” She’s one of at least two Texas women who died under the state’s abortion ban.

Nice going Texas and Republicans: her blood is on your hands with the policies you've championed and enacted.

Dave_5k · Nov 1, 2024

Brainonska511 said:
A Pregnant Teenager Died After Trying to Get Care in Three Visits to Texas Emergency Rooms

It took three ER visits and 20 hours before a hospital admitted Nevaeh Crain, 18, as her condition worsened. Doctors insisted on two ultrasounds to confirm “fetal demise.” She’s one of at least two Texas women who died under the state’s abortion ban.

www.propublica.org

Nice going Texas and Republicans: her blood is on your hands with the policies you've championed and enacted.

As "like" isn't an appropriate response, nor is "wow" as this is fully expected and by design in Texas, we'll go with:

ch33zw1z · Nov 1, 2024

Brainonska511 said:
A Pregnant Teenager Died After Trying to Get Care in Three Visits to Texas Emergency Rooms

It took three ER visits and 20 hours before a hospital admitted Nevaeh Crain, 18, as her condition worsened. Doctors insisted on two ultrasounds to confirm “fetal demise.” She’s one of at least two Texas women who died under the state’s abortion ban.

www.propublica.org

Nice going Texas and Republicans: her blood is on your hands with the policies you've championed and enacted.

Conservatives always be like:

akugami · Nov 1, 2024

I'm going to say something that some may disagree with, but in some ways, the death of pregnant teen Nevaeh Crain is her own fault.

Reading the article, it says both Crain, and her mother Candace Fails, supported abortion bans. Though in fairness to them, the article also says they supported exceptions to the abortion ban, such as for rape and incest.

But going back to their support of abortion, how could they not see something like this being possible? Everywhere you turn, politicians pushing the abortion ban agenda would not commit to something as simple and humane as saying they would support it to save the life of the mother, or in cases of rape and incest. It's not that hard to support these exceptions even if you support abortion. It's not that fucking hard.

Now you have an abortion ban in a state where the government monitors your vagina. Something supported by the supposedly pro-life crowd. And this has resulted in deaths. As sad as it may be, and as callous as some may think of my words, this is a case of fuck-around-find-out.

So congratulations Texans. This is exactly what you wished for. You've got a douchebag government, run by criminals like Paxton, who can and will tell you what to do with your vagina.

EDIT: Fixed typo, which pmv pointed out.

MrSquished · Nov 1, 2024

I think the biggest consequence so far of overturning Roe will be how women save us from Donald Trump at the voting booths

pmv · Nov 1, 2024

akugami said:
I'm going to say something that some may disagree with, but in some ways, the death of pregnant teen Nevaeh Crain is her own fault.

Reading the article, it says both Crain, and her mother Candace Fails, supported abortions.

I think you have a typo in there - you mean "supported banning abortions", I assume, as otherwise I can't make sense of your comment.

I think your comment is kind of harsh and overly-judgemental anyway. You may be right though that they hadn't fully thought through the implications of their original beliefs. I don't think it's fair to condemn them for being politically naive and not being aware of how policies end up working in practice. That's partly a failure of education and of the 'other side' failing to get the message across. Cases like this presumably will be an education for others.

pmv · Nov 1, 2024

MrSquished said:
I think the biggest consequence so far of overturning Roe will be how women save us from Donald Trump at the voting booths

I hope so. Every analysis of this election I see emphasises the huge gender-divide in voting intentions. It's always been the case in the US (funnily enough historically it's been the other-way-round here, up until the Blair era, women were far more likely to vote Conservative than were men). But apparently this election is even more so than usual.

akugami · Nov 1, 2024

pmv said:
I think you have a typo in there - you mean "supported banning abortions", I assume, as otherwise I can't make sense of your comment.

I think your comment is kind of harsh and overly-judgemental anyway. You may be right though that they hadn't fully thought through the implications of their original beliefs. I don't think it's fair to condemn them for being politically naive and not being aware of how policies end up working in practice. That's partly a failure of education and of the 'other side' failing to get the message across. Cases like this presumably will be an education for others.

From the linked article, "Fails and Crain believed abortion was morally wrong. The teen could only support it in the context of rape or life-threatening illness, she used to tell her mother. They didn’t care whether the government banned it, just how their Christian faith guided their own actions."

And yes, my words are harsh. This is the exact situation in the face eating leopard parody. You support people who say they are going to do something, or are for something, and the people you supported do exactly that. FAFO.

As in my earlier post, I think their views are tempered, and they are certainly (based on the article) not the worst anti-abortionists. The problem is that the politicians and those like the super religious have been telling everyone for years they do not allow abortions under any circumstances. All abortions should be banned. No exceptions. They have criminalized abortions. So should anyone really be surprised when policies are put in place that do not allow for any exceptions? That's just naive. Again, the people supporting face eating leopards are surprised when their faces are eaten.

No one deserves to die due to naivety, and by no means should anyone take my words to mean that, but conservatives wanted abortion bans. They got it. And it makes the situation shitty for all of us.

EDIT: Yes, you're right. I did have a typo.

nickqt · Nov 1, 2024

akugami said:
From the linked article, "Fails and Crain believed abortion was morally wrong. The teen could only support it in the context of rape or life-threatening illness, she used to tell her mother. They didn’t care whether the government banned it, just how their Christian faith guided their own actions."

And yes, my words are harsh. This is the exact situation in the face eating leopard parody. You support people who say they are going to do something, or are for something, and the people you supported do exactly that. FAFO.

As in my earlier post, I think their views are tempered, and they are certainly (based on the article) not the worst anti-abortionists. The problem is that the politicians and those like the super religious have been telling everyone for years they do not allow abortions under any circumstances. All abortions should be banned. No exceptions. They have criminalized abortions. So should anyone really be surprised when policies are put in place that do not allow for any exceptions? That's just naive. Again, the people supporting face eating leopards are surprised when their faces are eaten.

No one deserves to die due to naivety, and by no means should anyone take my words to mean that, but conservatives wanted abortion bans. They got it. And it makes the situation shitty for all of us.

EDIT: Yes, you're right. I did have a typo.

Some voters disenfranchise themselves.

That's the objective view.

Indus · Nov 2, 2024

Brainonska511 said:
A Pregnant Teenager Died After Trying to Get Care in Three Visits to Texas Emergency Rooms

It took three ER visits and 20 hours before a hospital admitted Nevaeh Crain, 18, as her condition worsened. Doctors insisted on two ultrasounds to confirm “fetal demise.” She’s one of at least two Texas women who died under the state’s abortion ban.

www.propublica.org

Nice going Texas and Republicans: her blood is on your hands with the policies you've championed and enacted.

Seems she volunteered as tribute!

HomerJS · Nov 3, 2024

akugami said:
From the linked article, "Fails and Crain believed abortion was morally wrong. The teen could only support it in the context of rape or life-threatening illness, she used to tell her mother. They didn’t care whether the government banned it, just how their Christian faith guided their own actions."

Unknown to her she articulated the pro-choice position. Too bad she couldn’t figure it out before it cost her life.

akugami · Nov 3, 2024

HomerJS said:
Unknown to her she articulated the pro-choice position. Too bad she couldn’t figure it out before it cost her life.

Maybe they were raging anti-abortionists. Based off how I read the article, it seems like they were certainly anti-abortion but with tempered views in that they did allow for exceptions. It's most likely just words of the mother of the teen, and its cynical of me to say so, but maybe the mother only said that because her teen daughter died. I certainly don't know, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt, that they truly believed in having exceptions for abortions.

Here's the problem, and maybe I did a bad job of saying it earlier for some others. Yes, my words are harsh and they're judgemental. But I'm through being compassionate to idiots when there is the very real chance it affects me, and my children negatively. It's the fact that anyone anti-abortion in government will not answer a simple question like "Do you allow exceptions in cases where the mother's life is in danger, or in cases of rape and incest." They won't answer it. That tells you the answer is no. They just don't want to put it into words. So these anti-abortionists are voted into office, and have successfully nullified Roe v Wade. They've put in laws specifically outlawing abortions to the point where even transporting someone to an out of state abortion clinic is fucking illegal. This is all fact.

With all of that as fact, did anyone really think there wouldn't be pressure on medical facilities to avoid abortions, even in situations where the life of the mother is at stake? We've already seen what the answer is. And the results are young women like Amber Thurman, and Nevaeh Crain.

In the case of Thurman, I have nothing but compassion and sorrow, because nothing I've read indicates she was anti-abortion. If that is not the case, my opinions will change. In the case of Nevaeh Crain, while I feel sorrow that a life that could have been saved is now gone, there's a certain anger at anti-abortionists like her, who brought about this situation. You don't get a cookie and a pat on the head for being an idiot. Not anymore. This situation should have never come to pass, not for Amber Thurman, and not for Nevaeh Crain. As a nation, we should be better than that. As a somewhat advanced intelligent specials, we should be better than that. But sadly we're not.

HomerJS · Nov 4, 2024

I would love to lock this thread with the ultimate consequence electing Kamala Harris. Would be a fitting tribute

Keeping my fingers crossed.

K1052 · Nov 4, 2024

MrSquished said:
I think the biggest consequence so far of overturning Roe will be how women save us from Donald Trump at the voting booths

The historically large gender gaps turning up in early voting and much of the polling seem inclined to your point of view.

Jaskalas · Nov 6, 2024

To the young women who are about to die due to this election.
I am so sorry that our fellow Americans want to see you dead. Over the mythical baby who was never going to survive anyway.

OTOH, they can't burn you for being a witch if pregnancy kills you first. So there's that....

DarthKyrie · Nov 6, 2024

I am afraid for this country's future. Does anyone know of anyone who has a wire coat hanger factory and is looking for investors? I'm asking for a friend who is looking for a money-making venture.

RalphTheCow · Nov 6, 2024

And now I am ashamed to be a man. Wtf.

hal2kilo · Nov 6, 2024

Apparently, not enough.

Jaskalas · Nov 11, 2024

The horror show that is the United States.

Life saving medical care must be delayed to appease Republicans.
Gotta wait until the patient bleeds to death or develops a fatal infection.
Some lucky few may survive the Republican's intent to murder women.

Bleeding and in pain, a woman endured a harrowing wait for miscarriage care due to Georgia’s restrictive abortion law

The 34-year-old geneticist had been hospitalized in Georgia after repeated episodes of bleeding, and she and her doctors all knew exactly what was needed to manage her miscarriage and prevent a life-threatening infection. They also knew why she wasn’t receiving that care immediately.

In an instant, the impacts of her state’s restrictive laws on abortion care became clear: Had Bell been bleeding from a car accident or a burst appendix, doctors could help her right away. Had she had a miscarriage in Boston, where she lived until 2020, doctors could snap into action. But because she was having a miscarriage in a hospital in Georgia, surgery had to wait.

Since the US Supreme Court’s 2022 Dobbs decision eliminated the federal right to abortion, miscarriage management has become trickier and in some cases, deadlier.

Many miscarriages take place at home without medical intervention, but cases like Bell’s can be treated with the same medicines or surgical techniques used for abortions.

nakedfrog · Nov 11, 2024

Christian Identity Politics gonna kill a lot of people.

nickqt · Nov 11, 2024

nakedfrog said:
Christian Identity Politics gonna kill a lot of people.

I mean, it's been killing lots of people for millennia. Believe it or not, this is what it looks like when it doesn't actually have a critical mass of power.

nakedfrog · Nov 11, 2024

nickqt said:
I mean, it's been killing lots of people for millennia. Believe it or not, this is what it looks like when it doesn't actually have a critical mass of power.

Okay, if you want me to add the implicit " that wouldn't have died if their horrible decision hadn't been implemented", sure, now it's explicit.

nickqt · Nov 11, 2024

nakedfrog said:
Okay, if you want me to add the implicit " that wouldn't have died if their horrible decision hadn't been implemented", sure, now it's explicit.

I was just pointing out that Christianity is the all-time #2 death dealer on the planet, behind disease.

It's killing people right now and it hasn't even gotten a total hold of US power yet. That may change.

Sunburn74 · Nov 12, 2024

Jaskalas said:
The horror show that is the United States.

Life saving medical care must be delayed to appease Republicans.

Gotta wait until the patient bleeds to death or develops a fatal infection.

Some lucky few may survive the Republican's intent to murder women.

Bleeding and in pain, a woman endured a harrowing wait for miscarriage care due to Georgia’s restrictive abortion law
The 34-year-old geneticist had been hospitalized in Georgia after repeated episodes of bleeding, and she and her doctors all knew exactly what was needed to manage her miscarriage and prevent a life-threatening infection. They also knew why she wasn’t receiving that care immediately.

In an instant, the impacts of her state’s restrictive laws on abortion care became clear: Had Bell been bleeding from a car accident or a burst appendix, doctors could help her right away. Had she had a miscarriage in Boston, where she lived until 2020, doctors could snap into action. But because she was having a miscarriage in a hospital in Georgia, surgery had to wait.

Since the US Supreme Court’s 2022 Dobbs decision eliminated the federal right to abortion, miscarriage management has become trickier and in some cases, deadlier.

Many miscarriages take place at home without medical intervention, but cases like Bell’s can be treated with the same medicines or surgical techniques used for abortions.

I still don't understand why these patients can't be admitted and transferred to hospitals in other states. We do it all the time here for other medical conditions.

nickqt · Nov 12, 2024

Sunburn74 said:
I still don't understand why these patients can't be admitted and transferred to hospitals in other states. We do it all the time here for other medical conditions.

The transfer of a patient takes time and resources. It's going to take an ambulance through an ambulance service with at least a Paramedic and EMT.

Check out this map. Where is this woman going outside Georgia... via an ambulance ride?

Abortion Laws by State - Center for Reproductive Rights

The U.S. Supreme Court has overturned Roe v. Wade, so it’s crucial to understand abortion laws by state, and where abortion is protected. Learn more now.

reproductiverights.org

Ohio? Illinois? Virginia?

What ambulance company is going to agree to drive someone 6+ hours away on a one-way trip? How much do you think that'll cost?

This is all feature, not bug.

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