Review Need help & guidance on my i5 14600K & Geforce RTX 3050 6GB

lakedude · Nov 14, 2024

manly said:
I realize we've all been steering OP away from Raptor Lake, but would an i5-14500 and air cooling be such a bad idea? (It was the i7/i9 parts that were failing?)

This!

I was going to post something similar but then went to look up the specifics. Yes it was mostly the i7/i9 parts but some of the higher i5 "k" models were also part of the mess, including the one the OP suggested. The 14500 no "k" should be fine however, I think.

I can't imagine going back to a 12 series CPU at this point unless it was on a fire sale.

Intel has extended the warranty on all the affected RL chips so other than the hassle of a possible RMA it wouldn't be that risky to buy one. I mean I went AMD for gaming but those RL chips stomp mine in productivity (at the expense of efficiency).

PhantomNoob · Nov 14, 2024

mikeymikec said:
I'd be very surprised if you needed a PSU that big. According to a review I just read, peak power usage is ~225W (for the whole system). I'd consider a decent 550W PSU.

I need to stick with that, as other brands like Seasonic, Cooler Master, etc., are unavailable in my country, and the rest under 750W are of poor quality except MSI MPG a650GF 650W 80+ Gold. But I dont know much about this PSU.

mikeymikec said:
@manly

Seasonic Focus GX is A-tier and they do a 550W PSU.

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HDD - I assume OP wanted stuff on a separate drive for some reason and assumed that a HDD would be cheaper, which of course it is. At that capacity though it's not really saving megabucks. I've got a 1TB SSD and 4TB HDD (NAS type for APM functions in Linux), and at that capacity there's quite a large price difference between a decent SSD and a NAS HDD (plus I got mine for free, w00t). Assuming for a second that a second physical internal drive is a requirement (as opposed to say partitioning the SSD or using an external drive), I wonder whether a less premium but still perfectly capable SSD would be a better choice, partly for noise reasons, partly for "less moving parts = more likely reliable", partly for less wiring.

I mainly use HDDs to store files, media, and backups, and SSDs for OS boot, tools, and work. Do I need a NAS-type HDD, or is a regular (consumer) one sufficient?

lakedude · Nov 15, 2024

PhantomNoob said:
Do I need a NAS-type HDD, or is a regular (consumer) one sufficient?

My general rule of thumb on that is to look at warranty length, the longer the better the drive is likely to be. YMMV

Be darned if I can remember the exact reason but there was something about not using a NAS or maybe it was RAID drive as a single or maybe vice versa. Gonna need help on that one. Anybody got a clue what I'm trying to remember?

mikeymikec · Nov 15, 2024

PhantomNoob said:
I mainly use HDDs to store files, media, and backups, and SSDs for OS boot, tools, and work. Do I need a NAS-type HDD, or is a regular (consumer) one sufficient?

A regular drive is sufficient, though if you're interested in sustained write performance I would pick a CMR drive rather than SMR drives (the latter needs regular naps if they're given lots of write work to do). The Toshiba P300 you picked is a curious drive insofar as the 4TB and 2TB models are SMR, the 1TB and 3TB models are CMR.

https://www.toshiba-storage.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/TOSH_16046_P300_GB_30_11.pdf

mikeymikec · Nov 15, 2024

lakedude said:
This!

I was going to post something similar but then went to look up the specifics. Yes it was mostly the i7/i9 parts but some of the higher i5 "k" models were also part of the mess, including the one the OP suggested. The 14500 no "k" should be fine however, I think.

The "I think" is what would make me nervous, that and it took Intel about 2 years to figure out the problem, and they weren't sure they had fixed the issue even as recently as August this year.

According to this:

Intel’s crashing CPU warranty extends to OEM models.

Intel added two years of additional warranty coverage for its 13th and 14th Gen Core processors last week, and now it’s clarifying this will also apply to processors sold without a box to OEMs or system integrators. If you’re having crashing issues you can contact Intel if you purchased a boxed...

www.theverge.com

The 14500 isn't mentioned so logically it's not considered to be affected, however Intel haven't said that any laptop CPUs are affected yet there are some reports of laptop CPUs being affected.

PhantomNoob · Nov 15, 2024

mikeymikec said:
A regular drive is sufficient, though if you're interested in sustained write performance I would pick a CMR drive rather than SMR drives (the latter needs regular naps if they're given lots of write work to do). The Toshiba P300 you picked is a curious drive insofar as the 4TB and 2TB models are SMR, the 1TB and 3TB models are CMR.

https://www.toshiba-storage.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/TOSH_16046_P300_GB_30_11.pdf

Thank you! So, my choice of the 1TB Toshiba P300 is a good one, right?

I really appreciate your detailed and helpful response to my issue.

mikeymikec · Nov 15, 2024

PhantomNoob said:
Thank you! So, my choice of the 1TB Toshiba P300 is a good one, right?

I really appreciate your detailed and helpful response to my issue.

Insofar as the drive should (ie. I would expect it to based on experience of decent 3.5" 1TB HDDs) be able to sustain about ~160MB/sec read or write, though I don't think it's good value for money.

I don't know much about Toshibas HDDs in terms of reliability. Toshiba as a brand feature on Backblaze's failure stats fairly favourably I'd say:

Backblaze Drive Stats for Q2 2024

Read the Q2 2024 Drive Stats Report, with the latest on annualized failure rates and a look into measuring drive consistency over time.

www.backblaze.com

Seagate have got *some* shocking stats in there.

mikeymikec · Nov 15, 2024

double post

lakedude · Nov 15, 2024

To be clear avoid drives with short warranties.

In2Photos · Nov 15, 2024

I have a Toshiba 3TB drive in my unRAID array that is currently showing over 8Y of power on. It is my oldest drive by nearly 2X the next oldest drive.

DAPUNISHER · Nov 15, 2024

lakedude said:
This!

I was going to post something similar but then went to look up the specifics. Yes it was mostly the i7/i9 parts but some of the higher i5 "k" models were also part of the mess, including the one the OP suggested. The 14500 no "k" should be fine however, I think.

There is some misinformation in this post.

1. Intel acknowledged all 65W and higher raptor lake are affected.

lakedude said:
I can't imagine going back to a 12 series CPU at this point unless it was on a fire sale.

2. Intel ARK steppings list - The 14500 is ADL-C0 AKA Alder Lake. Marketing works really well don't you think? Trying to avoid Alder Lake and still getting Alder Lake. Most of the lower end SKUs are ADL only, but some can be either ADL-C0 or RPL-B0 e.g. the 14400. They list the info under ordering and compliance.

lakedude said:
Intel has extended the warranty on all the affected RL chips so other than the hassle of a possible RMA it wouldn't be that risky to buy one. I mean I went AMD for gaming but those RL chips stomp mine in productivity (at the expense of efficiency).

If this is a work PC? There is no way I'd trust the means of making my livelihood by using Raptor Lake. RMA will not recompense me for lost productivity; it literally isn't worth the risk. Regardless of which generation badge is on the CPU, I'd make certain it's Alder Lake.

manly · Nov 15, 2024

PhantomNoob said:
Thank you! So, my choice of the 1TB Toshiba P300 is a good one, right?

I really appreciate your detailed and helpful response to my issue.

Not to say there aren't use cases for HDD today, but nobody here would buy a 1TB spinner now at the normal price (about $30). Just spend a little more for one 2TB SSD, and partition it as necessary.

If you needed a lot more capacity (for cheap), such as 4+ TB, then it's certainly worth consideration. You don't need a NAS drive for a desktop PC. As mikey noted, Toshiba is considered a good manufacturer.

I wasn't trying to make OP's life more confusing by proposing i5-14500 yesterday, but my point was that part is Alder Lake.*
Value-wise, it'll be a little cheaper to air cool i5-14500 than to buy the i7-12700K and an AIO. Performance looks quite similar between the two, so I'd call that a wash too.

Obviously it's Intel's fault for mixing ADL and RPL parts into both 13th and 14th gen, and then their disastrous handling of the instability problem.

* FFS some i5-14400 is ADL and some are RPL. Ridiculous.

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