The People Have Spoken

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nakedfrog

No Lifer
Apr 3, 2001
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If hamberders and fries are good enough for the President, they're good enough for you!
 

BonzaiDuck

Lifer
Jun 30, 2004
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ivwshane -- post #537
nOOky -- post #538
ch33zw1z -- post #539

Thanks, you guys. At least I don't feel alone in my perceptions and conclusions. So, yeah --- it doesn't seem like the country it was when I retired, and I apparently wasn't staying so plugged in to it over the last two decades. After I worked with local activists against Bush to help get Obama elected in 2008, there's been some sort of shift in the way people think. Or maybe it's just generational, I can't say.

I have some friends here whom I've known for the last 20 years. One or more of them engages in the discussion now with this normalized attitude, as if "Gee -- maybe there's a silver lining here" or "at least gas prices are coming down" (they'd been on the decline all summer).

I can't do it. AT every turn, I want to tell people about the Criminal they elected. I can't bring myself to give an inch. I almost cannot stand living anymore under this situation. Four more years? After eight already?

But I agree with all of you in your respective remarks . . The thought of the moment for me, though, is that I either want a fentanyl overdose to punch out early or I want to smack somebody silly. Somehow the latter option feels more healthy, but I'm too old for mixing it up, now.

I'm just wondering, even so. In our culture of positions about the world, does it seem like people are tired of standing firm on the longtime Cold War "do or die" attitudes? Are they tired of standing together against Russia and DPRK? Is that an aspect of the current political cultural direction?
 
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Muse

Lifer
Jul 11, 2001
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The people have spoken?

No! The people have vomited. Now they have to clean up the mess. That's gonna be tough.
 
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Muse

Lifer
Jul 11, 2001
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Source



Holy fuck.
That reddit thread is humongous and pretty deep.

The Atlantic article (from Feb. 2024 BTW) has this passage early:

Exactly why Trump never launched the comprehensive deportation program he promised is unclear even to some veterans of his administration. The best answer may be a combination of political resistance within Congress and in local governments, logistical difficulties, and internal opposition from the more mainstream conservative appointees who held key positions in his administration, particularly in his first years.

The problematical logistics and the inevitable nation-wide negativity in response to the repercussions (spiking prices & inflation) strongly suggest it won't happen as planned in Trump 2.0.

But Trump's devastating plans (particularly if his initial cabinet picks are confirmed) indicate we may have many huge concurrent wildfires on our hands, to borrow a pertinent metaphor.
 
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Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
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I'm just wondering, even so. In our culture of positions about the world, does it seem like people are tired of standing firm on the longtime Cold War "do or die" attitudes? Are they tired of standing together against Russia and DPRK? Is that an aspect of the current political cultural direction?
My local MAGA are much too concerned with wanting a military coup to takeover America for MAGA. Or with declaring war on Mexico cause "illegals, drugs, and gangs / cartels".
Russia is not their enemy, and Europe is not their friend. They consider Europe an enemy.

If you want to pry into "how"... just the usual BS propaganda of how "we support them" and "they take advantage of us" and "they hate us anyway".
They, like Trump, view foreign relations as transactional. Europe should be paying us for protection, should be bowing to us as the superior people.
I find my MAGA carry extreme xenophobia and radical nationalist zeal. Nazis in all but name.

Decades of Fox News propaganda will do that to a person.
15 years of Social Media helping them coalesce as a "cohesive" movement did the rest. Human nature was allowed to thrive, granting explosive growth to divisions, to hatred, and religious zealotry. To undo and unmake the institutions of America. Our freedom of speech fully realized. Just not in the way our founders could have ever imagined. Theirs was a very different world, and we were left utterly defenseless as communication evolved and unmade us. Unmade our sanity and national identity from the ground up.
 
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They, like Trump, view foreign relations as transactional. Europe should be paying us for protection, should be bowing to us as the superior people.
In a way, foreign relations is transactional. It's just not transactional in the way Trump and supporters think. Like providing US security guarantees buys US influence, tamps down on nuclear proliferation, and supports a post-WW2 order that benefits us politically and economically. It doesn't need to always be immediately transactional like Trump and team think.
 
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QueBert

Lifer
Jan 6, 2002
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I don't think we can just ride out these next 4 years. Holy fuck the team he's assembling is going to destroy us. And his idiot cult are gushing over RFKJ and the rest of his picks. Maybe I need to go read up more on him but from what I know, he has to be one of the worst people Trump could have picked for that position. And why do MAGAs even like him? He only linked up with Trump because he tried to connect with Kamala but she blocked and ignored him. Shouldn't that make him a traitor in the eyes of the cult?

I just spent 8 long ass minutes reading MAGA comments about this on YT. Jesus, this is worse than the Twilight Zone - our country is doomed.
 

Viper1j

Diamond Member
Jul 31, 2018
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Jacking up the price of coffee is a good way to stick it to the libtards.
What ever will the MAGAts do when Air Force One is denied landing clearance because Trump is onboard? 🤔


Donald Trump Is Banned from 37 Countries as Convicted Felon, Including Major Allies Like Canada and U.K.​

If elected president again, Trump would need special permission to enter several key countries for maintaining foreign relations.

Donald Trump may face travel restrictions with his newfound felon status, potentially complicating his presidency if he were to win another term in office.

Thirty-eight nations, counting the United States, bar felons from entry, according to World Population Review. Those bans stand regardless of whether someone is allowed to retain their passport after conviction.

Countries that turn felons away include several of the United States' strongest allies, like the United Kingdom, Australia and Canada — the final of which will host the G7 summit of world leaders in 2025. The list also includes a number of nations at the center of pressing foreign policy issues, such as China, Israel and Mexico.

International governments can, and in some cases would, choose to make an exception for Trump if he requested special permission as president to make a visit.

George W. Bush, who was arrested for drunk driving in the 1970s, ran into issues with Canadian travel restrictions during his presidency while planning an official state visit and, after applying for a special waiver, he was ultimately allowed to enter.

In Bush's case, which still proved tedious, the circumstances were a bit different: the crime happened decades earlier, was only categorized as a misdemeanor and was never tried in a court of law (Bush admitted to driving under the influence upon arrest and got off with a fine and temporary license suspension). It's hard to say whether Trump's new 34 felony convictions would be dealt with in a similar manner.

If Trump were elected to another term in the White House and chose to apply for special travel waivers, the irony would not go unnoticed.

The former president has often characterized foreigners as "criminals," and has campaigned on a promise to tighten U.S. travel restrictions, which would include shutting down the border and instating travel bans on people of certain nationalities and ideologies.
 
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BonzaiDuck

Lifer
Jun 30, 2004
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Well . . . .

I stopped going to church back in 1995. Maybe I just didn't want to take the trouble. Maybe I just got tired of ritual. Lately, my excuse is a sense of being agnostic. I mean -- for the latest thoughts about it -- how can I be sure that God exists if my country just elected the Spawn of Satan? Of course, it seems intuitive that perception of a real propagator of Evil might lead me to HOPE for God, which might be BELIEF in God.

But now, I've got a reason to go to church weekly. I can pray for one thing, which would require some other person I don't know who thinks they've nothing to lose. And people would say "You can't pray for that! That's wrong!"

I sure as hell can, and I will, damn it. I'll pray for somebody straighter than Crooks. Meanwhile, I could wish that Trump has some serious medical problem for which treatment is only available outside the US, and they deny him the visit.
 
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KLin

Lifer
Feb 29, 2000
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Well . . . .

I stopped going to church back in 1995. Maybe I just didn't want to take the trouble. Maybe I just got tired of ritual. Lately, my excuse is a sense of being agnostic. I mean -- for the latest thoughts about it -- how can I be sure that God exists if my country just elected the Spawn of Satan? Of course, it seems intuitive that perception of a real propagator of Evil might lead me to HOPE for God, which might be BELIEF in God.

But now, I've got a reason to go to church weekly. I can pray for one thing, which would require some other person I don't know who thinks they've nothing to lose. And people would say "You can't pray for that! That's wrong!"

I sure as hell can, and I will, damn it. I'll pray for somebody straighter than Crooks. Meanwhile, I could wish that Trump has some serious medical problem for which treatment is only available outside the US, and they deny him the visit.

Trump Derangement Syndrome dial is up to 11!


Meanwhile, I could wish that Trump has some serious medical problem for which treatment is only available outside the US, and they deny him the visit.

Just wow
 

Greenman

Lifer
Oct 15, 1999
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I'm not sure how that relates to asking God to commit murder, but it's not a bad picture. Personally, I prefer a more traditional devil.
 
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ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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Praying for murder and illness, and you think Trump is the evil one.

Voting for a guy who demonizes others and has and is willing to separate children from their parents as well as supporting racists and has called for police to rough up perps and a desire to use military force on American citizens…that’s ok in your book but some guy on the internet speaking in hyperbole and venting his fears and frustrations…that’s a bridge too far!

Fucking 🤡
 

trenchfoot

Lifer
Aug 5, 2000
15,143
7,653
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I just stepped in here amidst the "feeling versus facts" conflict.

I've proven here and in other threads that Trump supporters, new and old, don't know the facts and are equivocating about them at every turn.

Each day since Trump's victory has been announced, the news just keeps getting worse. I have several friends my age -- mid-70s -- who are deeply anxious and more so every day now.
This time, we're stunned by Trump picks of Matt Gaetz and Tulsi Gabbard for AG and director of national intelligence. Responsible legislators and commentators are aghast, and so am I.

It looks likely that these appointments won't float, but then -- we can never be entirely sure.

What we can be sure of is this, and it should cause any common sense American deep concern: THERE IS A CRIMINAL GANG ATTEMPTING TO RUN OUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
I've noticed that Trump supporters now -- locally in my "face-to-face" experience -- are treating citizens of the opposition as if they should shut up, shouldn't voice opposition, or simply don't matter. This just proves again the underlying idea that the electorate -- the GOP portion -- have been infected with the idea that elections are and SHOULD BE a zero-sum game: As long as THEY win, nobody else matters, as if the Democratic (or any) opposition doesn't exist.

And so I hate to say it, but we cannot count on our "fellow" GOP citizens to engage in constructive dialog or assist in saving the Republic. We're going to wake up every morning with the worry that some other disaster is in the making.

How long will it take, and how much damage will be done, before the Trump supporters themselves develop a sense of loss and harm? You can lead a Moron to the Truth, but you can't get him to accept it. They are not going to be any help what . . so . . . ever.

No matter what Trump does, he will not be held accountable by the people that voted for him, nor will they ever lose their faith in him. These are facts that his previous stint as POTUS have proven beyond the pale. The more they are proven wrong, the tighter they cling to him. If he fails, they fail and they will never allow themselves to admit it. They've locked themselves into a loop that doesn't allow them any way to get themselves out of it yet they feel very comfortable and secure that way and so does the Republican party leadership of whom of course takes credit (rightfully so) for propagandizing "their people" into trapping themselves that way.

With that in mind, I don't really know what specific demographic outside of the Trump trap was the deciding factor that gave Biden his win back in '20, but they didn't show up for Harris, which left me with the suspicion that it was predominantly the male voters from both parties and the independents that had a significant effect on the outcome. A backlash of sorts for the Democrat's efforts to push women's and minorities rights to the forefront of their campaign.
What ever will the MAGAts do when Air Force One is denied landing clearance because Trump is onboard? 🤔


Donald Trump Is Banned from 37 Countries as Convicted Felon, Including Major Allies Like Canada and U.K.​

If elected president again, Trump would need special permission to enter several key countries for maintaining foreign relations.

Donald Trump may face travel restrictions with his newfound felon status, potentially complicating his presidency if he were to win another term in office.

Thirty-eight nations, counting the United States, bar felons from entry, according to World Population Review. Those bans stand regardless of whether someone is allowed to retain their passport after conviction.

Countries that turn felons away include several of the United States' strongest allies, like the United Kingdom, Australia and Canada — the final of which will host the G7 summit of world leaders in 2025. The list also includes a number of nations at the center of pressing foreign policy issues, such as China, Israel and Mexico.

International governments can, and in some cases would, choose to make an exception for Trump if he requested special permission as president to make a visit.

George W. Bush, who was arrested for drunk driving in the 1970s, ran into issues with Canadian travel restrictions during his presidency while planning an official state visit and, after applying for a special waiver, he was ultimately allowed to enter.

In Bush's case, which still proved tedious, the circumstances were a bit different: the crime happened decades earlier, was only categorized as a misdemeanor and was never tried in a court of law (Bush admitted to driving under the influence upon arrest and got off with a fine and temporary license suspension). It's hard to say whether Trump's new 34 felony convictions would be dealt with in a similar manner.

If Trump were elected to another term in the White House and chose to apply for special travel waivers, the irony would not go unnoticed.

The former president has often characterized foreigners as "criminals," and has campaigned on a promise to tighten U.S. travel restrictions, which would include shutting down the border and instating travel bans on people of certain nationalities and ideologies.

So long as nations on that list gets offered something big and juicy on their shopping list of things they want from America, they'll have no problem granting entry to Trump. They'll wine and dine that egomaniac and feed his insatiable narcissism because it's well known the world over that that shit works every time. Give him a royal welcome, have a parade in his honor and Trump will pay them back with state's secrets just to show off how powerful and stupid he is. He can declassify our intel at his leisure and purpose and he's already proven how reckless he is with that stuff. He wants to hold hostage our allied nation states and make them take a knee at his feet as he demands their allegiance to him just as he's done with his supporters here at home.

After getting rid of any and all in our intelligence services who refuse to kiss his bodacious dimpled rump and install unqualified sycophants in every nook and cranny of our despised intel agencies that know his every weakness and fault, he'll weaponize it against his domestic rivals and turn our national secrets into bargaining chips, all for his personal enrichment.

The only people who would care about his corrupted administration are the true patriots of the nation that saw how despicable and ironic it was to see those thousands of traitorous insurrectionists waving our nation's flag and using it as spears against the authorities that were charged with protecting the very people who were assaulting them. To have Trump pardon them as he said he would so he can repurpose them and give them the protections they lacked on J6 is the ultimate betrayal and violation of every moral and ethical principle our nation was previously founded on.
 
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