Discussion Opinion: "your body, my choice" is straight-up hate speech and should be banned

biostud

Lifer
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You are not the only one, although it is quite absurd who is going to lead it...

 
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sandorski

No Lifer
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Those saying it certainly deserve derision, some certainly will use it as a threat and should face at least a Cop Visit, perhaps Court Orders. Making it more than that gets problematic.
 
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You are not the only one, although it is quite absurd who is going to lead it...

More evidence the UN is USELESS.
 
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eelw

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It's just a statement of facts at this point.

Tie it around their necks and hang it on them for the next 2 years.
But they’ll see it as a badge of honour. The 2024 non voters were disinterested in voting. Doubt this will make them doubt their choice
 

nickqt

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But they’ll see it as a badge of honour. The 2024 non voters were disinterested in voting. Doubt this will make them doubt their choice
Yes, the fascists will see this as a badge of honor. It's the entire point of being a fascist, in fact. They get to decide who is human or not.

If that and the next 2/4 years allows non-voters to remain apathetic, then it's game over anyway. The American fascists of the 1930s were just 100 years ahead of their time. It's their country, you're just living in it...for now.

Find a mutual aid community and work with them to do the things you need to do to survive.

And for the love of fuck, for any liberals still whining about firearms, THIS IS WHY THERE IS A SECOND AMENDMENT. Quit own-goaling yourselves in the face. It's embarrassing.
 

Indus

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May 11, 2002
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You are not the only one, although it is quite absurd who is going to lead it...


At least MBS is letting women drive and has tried to be more progressive than his predecessors.

So I'll let him have this one.. is it as progressive as we like? No.

Is it more progressive than was there before? Hell yes.

So small steps..
 
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At least MBS is letting women drive and has tried to be more progressive than his predecessors.

So I'll let him have this one.. is it as progressive as we like? No.

Is it more progressive than was there before? Hell yes.

So small steps..
Fair enough
 

Moonbeam

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At least MBS is letting women drive and has tried to be more progressive than his predecessors.

So I'll let him have this one.. is it as progressive as we like? No.

Is it more progressive than was there before? Hell yes.

So small steps..
Have you thought about or read theories on an event called The Singularity. It's based on the fact that the acquisition of knowledge is accelerating algorithmically. I see no way that small steps will be able to save us. A revolution in human consciousness is required. Climate change, nuclear weapons clean water adequate food supply, so many issues, what will it take for people to see the writing on the wall. What do people do when faced with the truth, wish everyone else their own state of misery. "Please oh please let me kill myself in my sleep."
 

dank69

Lifer
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Yes, the fascists will see this as a badge of honor. It's the entire point of being a fascist, in fact. They get to decide who is human or not.

If that and the next 2/4 years allows non-voters to remain apathetic, then it's game over anyway. The American fascists of the 1930s were just 100 years ahead of their time. It's their country, you're just living in it...for now.

Find a mutual aid community and work with them to do the things you need to do to survive.

And for the love of fuck, for any liberals still whining about firearms, THIS IS WHY THERE IS A SECOND AMENDMENT. Quit own-goaling yourselves in the face. It's embarrassing.
I get the sentiment but if things go as bad as I think they are going to go, firearms are just going to make someone's situation devolve even faster. Unless we go full apocalypse and the government completely collapses, if you get into a situation where firearms are required, you're just going to move to the top of the list of issues the government needs to take care of.
 

nickqt

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I get the sentiment but if things go as bad as I think they are going to go, firearms are just going to make someone's situation devolve even faster. Unless we go full apocalypse and the government completely collapses, if you get into a situation where firearms are required, you're just going to move to the top of the list of issues the government needs to take care of.
Safely owning and knowing how to operate a firearm isn't to defend yourself against a platoon of the US Army with armored units. If it comes down to that then it's too late.

It's being able to defend yourself, your family, and your community against a militia acting under color of law.

The question is whether you believe that US fascists are going to embolden private militias to go out hunting.

If you don't think that it's possible, continue not safely owning and knowing how to operate a firearm. Everything is going to be just fine, nothing to worry about. Midterms are in two years, watch some TV. This is fine.

If you think it is possible, then your options are being a nice polite liberal who just puts up their hands before being murdered, or putting up a fight if need be.

The strawman here is that non-fascists owning a firearm are only doing so to take on the US military and a tanks rolling down your street.

The actual argument is that there's usually a lot of time, often years, where individuals could have defended themselves but "chose" not to.
 

Moonbeam

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Safely owning and knowing how to operate a firearm isn't to defend yourself against a platoon of the US Army with armored units. If it comes down to that then it's too late.

It's being able to defend yourself, your family, and your community against a militia acting under color of law.

The question is whether you believe that US fascists are going to embolden private militias to go out hunting.

If you don't think that it's possible, continue not safely owning and knowing how to operate a firearm. Everything is going to be just fine, nothing to worry about. Midterms are in two years, watch some TV. This is fine.

If you think it is possible, then your options are being a nice polite liberal who just puts up their hands before being murdered, or putting up a fight if need be.

The strawman here is that non-fascists owning a firearm are only doing so to take on the US military and a tanks rolling down your street.

The actual argument is that there's usually a lot of time, often years, where individuals could have defended themselves but "chose" not to.
I recon if you can do in two before being shot yourself it's a win.
 
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dank69

Lifer
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Safely owning and knowing how to operate a firearm isn't to defend yourself against a platoon of the US Army with armored units. If it comes down to that then it's too late.

It's being able to defend yourself, your family, and your community against a militia acting under color of law.

The question is whether you believe that US fascists are going to embolden private militias to go out hunting.

If you don't think that it's possible, continue not safely owning and knowing how to operate a firearm. Everything is going to be just fine, nothing to worry about. Midterms are in two years, watch some TV. This is fine.

If you think it is possible, then your options are being a nice polite liberal who just puts up their hands before being murdered, or putting up a fight if need be.

The strawman here is that non-fascists owning a firearm are only doing so to take on the US military and a tanks rolling down your street.

The actual argument is that there's usually a lot of time, often years, where individuals could have defended themselves but "chose" not to.
I don't. I don't forsee roving militias, at least not without the full backing of government. It just doesn't make any sense. Help me make it make sense. If there is a roaming militia that isn't backed by the government, the government will go after it. If the government isn't going after it, then the government tacitly supports said militia, and when you shoot some of that militia, even in self defense, the government is going to come after you.
 

nickqt

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I don't. I don't forsee roving militias, at least not without the full backing of government. It just doesn't make any sense. Help me make it make sense. If there is a roaming militia that isn't backed by the government, the government will go after it. If the government isn't going after it, then the government tacitly supports said militia, and when you shoot some of that militia, even in self defense, the government is going to come after you.
Many states have stand your ground laws. Basically, whomever survives gets the benefit of the doubt. Especially if you are in your house, your yard, in your car, etc.

And again, this isn't a January 20th everything is fine January 21st there are roving bands of militias. We're talking years of dismantling legal protections for people not being in the correct Party or not wearing the correct armband/red hat or whatever the fascists decide on. That doesn't mean there won't be people acting under color of law regardless of whether or not what they're doing is protected by local/city/state/federal government.

But hey, if you're not worried about it, or are hopeless if it does actually happen, then you can just not think about it and not make an investment in a firearm. Just be aware that there are plenty of us here on the left who have brought this potential issue up, so you can't be surprised later when shit starts getting turned up.

And note well: a firearm and ammunition/paraphernalia are basically investments - they don't really lose their cash value unless you put them through heavy use or deplete them altogether. In a pure chaotic environment, a firearm is infinitely more valuable than almost anything besides food/water/drugs.
 
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sandorski

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If your State Government hasn't sanctioned you, you're hooped. Any resistance of the Federal Government needs to come from the State Governments. If something pops off, be sure to be in the right State.
 
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Moonbeam

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I don't. I don't forsee roving militias, at least not without the full backing of government. It just doesn't make any sense. Help me make it make sense. If there is a roaming militia that isn't backed by the government, the government will go after it. If the government isn't going after it, then the government tacitly supports said militia, and when you shoot some of that militia, even in self defense, the government is going to come after you.
It makes sense that Trump would never get elected but people have voted to destroy the country. Killing Democrats is an easy next step once you realize there is no such thing any more as sense. The hatred of self has spoken and people will lust for payback on those selected as the source of their pain. What could never happen did. If the Jews had been armed do you think they would have gone quietly to the camps?

German civilization was highly advance and went nuts despite that fact. Most Americans still have one hand on the vine. Whimper rather than bang…… fine. Only a few ever have spine. I’m not pushing in any particular direction. I have no idea if I wouldn’t willing put up with a train ride just to stay alive but I chose to have the option to resist just in case I the opportunity is forced on me.
 
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