There's a third option. Ukraine develops nukes. Because Europe doesn't have the unity or political will to send hundred of thousand of troops and equipment who need massive financial supply to be deployed and maintained to that border, and NATO is not viable for Ukraine right now.
It won't be "nukes" like others have, it will be nuclear IEDs made with fuel rods. Think a poor man's tactical nuke. They just don't have the time or money to put together enrichment plus a dedicated weapons program.
Something around a kiloton, definitely something Putin needs to worry about. Ukraine has good missile tech. Or maybe the GUR sneaks next to the Kremlin, maybe a few for Putin's mansions and train system.
You know I did make one mistake.
I thought this place would be like the pulse of a nation, no matter how small and inconsequential it was. I really did think that; it was so foolish of me.
I was so wrong about that, the US election proved it as such.
You guys are nothing more than a bunch of trolls hiding and muttering insane crap in an underwater cave. Now that I realize it, I find myself laughing at you guys.
As for you guys giving me sermons about how the world works, I can only say: HA HA HA HA 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
I'm sorry, but I can never take you guys seriously ever again.
I suspect given the choice of death (going nuclear) or surrender at least 75% of general population will choose surrender.Any nuclear armed nation that finds itself on the brink of defeat/destruction will very likely use its nukes against the aggressor and its aggressor's allies because there is nothing left to lose from their perspective. This is why nuclear armed nations really don't want to go to war with each other.
I suspect given the choice of death (going nuclear) or surrender at least 75% of general population will choose surrender.
Yea, so says the pedophilia, child mutilating, war mongering supporting members of P&N.Going by the zeal with which you embarrass yourself here coward, I don't think you take much seriously at all. We don't take you seriously either, if it makes you feel any better.
A incel fanboi of fascism and rape can never take us seriously ever again. Well shit. How disconcerting. Whatever will we do now?
I still wish Ukraine the very best. I would like nothing more than the resumption of the status of Ukraine prior to the war with all its territories intact. Perhaps a bit wiser, but nevertheless whole.I see the venom from India has gotten rather extreme of late.
You are endorsing Russia's invasion of Europe?
And yes, imagine that... we "fantasize" of killing invaders. Of Evil being stopped.
There once was a day when India knew what it was like to oppose a Colonial Empire occupying somebody else's land.
My, how money has changed you.
Make no mistake. The further Russia advances towards NATO, the more likely nuclear weapons will be used.
Think about that, before you promote Russia.
I still wish Ukraine the very best. I would like nothing more than the resumption of the status of Ukraine prior to the war with all its territories intact. Perhaps a bit wiser, but nevertheless whole.
There is no promotion of Russia in my post. I simply stated the current conditions in the battlefield. If you think thats advocating Russian interests, well there is nothing I can do about it.
Back to the regularly scheduled programming......Go suck on Modi's dick some more stinky jackass!
Yea, so says the pedophilia, child mutilating, war mongering
I wasn't alive then so can't really comment on that. Look, I'm certainly not saying nuclear launch is impossible, just improbable. The smaller the state with the fewer cooks in the kitchen the more probable it becomes. Small state like Israel? Yeah I could see bubby doing that. Large state like France? You'll never get enough public support for that when every country has their version of MAGAt just itching to join in what feels like real power.Do you think the Israelis would have surrendered to the Arabs in 1973 instead of using the bombs if it came to it?
In all my time here, I have been slandered in every manner possible. Nothing you conjure up from all your collective wretched imaginations will ever surprise me anymore. It's from the same wretched imagination; your friends here are conjuring up visions of Ukraine being rendered into an radioactive wasteland.I thought you just supported rape, but I see from your projection you're even worse than we imagined.
You'll never get enough public support for that when every country has their version of MAGAt just itching to join in what feels like real power.
Those would just be dirty bombs which are also an option.
I've seen some technical discussions about how long it could take Ukraine to put together an improvised Purex process if they threw caution and safety to the wind. Most people seem to think that in a true emergency they could probably whittle the time to an acceptable bomb grade Pu down to about a year.
Society exists right now because every country has many protocols in place to stop or delay the decision along the way. Yes I'm sure they also have rapid deployment protocols as well but again conditions for those need to be met. Someone like Macron isn't going to go nuclear without significant public buy-in.No country is going to take a referendum on if the canned sunshine flies. Whoever has command authority makes that decision all on their lonesome. Typically this is the president or pm depending on the state.
Well the problem there are some people so dumb like Trump he doesn't really understand what a nuke is so of course he would be willing to use them like lollipops. Hey lets give a lollipop to IranWe'll just have to agree to disagree then. I don't think anyone wants to be the first to launch nukes no matter how bleak it may get. It doesn't have to be the US attacking Europe directly, everything could be channeled through Russia. We can't help what Russia does with our equipment. Besides, you shouldn't be sheltering Nazis in the first place, duh.
There is nothing in it for Trump or any US president to ever lob nukes at anyone unless nukes are already incoming. The lower 48 benefit from the most geographically advantageous position ever enjoyed by humanity. The whole of Asia, Europe and even Africa could glass each other and we would all still be going to work.Well the problem there are some people so dumb like Trump he doesn't really understand what a nuke is so of course he would be willing to use them like lollipops. Hey lets give a lollipop to Iran
He is not yet a dictator, and not all the R party is behind him. Going against China, maybe, but going against Europe? Not a single chanceTrump is unpredictable, and he's made threatening overtures before, so I'm not keeping anything off the table at this point.
It depends a lot of a lot of things and the timing. If EU doesn't get its military industry up to snuff to produce artilery and rockets in the quantities needed to stop a Ru invasion (in Ukr or N Eu) then you might get a cowardly Germany/Austria/Hungary/Slovakia/Swiss let Eastern Europe fall under Russian power if they stay safe. If everyone has nukes, nobody gives a sh@t of what anyone thinks, if the small countries are invaded, they will unleash nuclear hell onto Russia and will trigger MAD. Be sure Poland will nuclear destroy St Petersburg area and Moscow, which means really 90% or Russia. Rest is just peasants with no meaningful life without the European Russia.Any Euro forces deployed would be relatively small but backed up by the continent's air power. Starting a war with the rest of Europe is not on Russia's to do list anytime soon since it's going to take them a decade to recover militarily from Ukraine.
Yes but you assume he understand that - Trump is truly in the lower % of people when it comes to understanding things outside of abusing the legal system to rip people off. I honestly don't believe Trump fully understands what a nuke is and why it would be a mistake to use one.There is nothing in it for Trump or any US president to ever lob nukes at anyone unless nukes are already incoming. The lower 48 benefit from the most geographically advantageous position ever enjoyed by humanity. The whole of Asia, Europe and even Africa could glass each other and we would all still be going to work.