I'm not so worried about them as Trump who I'm told is still saying it's a hoax. Today he named the CEO if a fracking firm to be Secretary of Energy. I don't know what people are thinking. My car's sat idle since Oct. 27. I walk ~6 miles/day. I'd be on my bicycle but am recovering from hand surgery Oct. 30. I have never claimed global warming is a hoax. Been aware of it since An Inconvenient Truth, sad Gore wasn't president. I suppose the American public won't wise up until something happens they can't deny is proof positive we're gonna get cooked, and sooner if we don't get serious about the problem. IMO it's happening constantly. They do talk about it a little in MSM, but not enough. It should be in everybody's face all the time.It’s darkly funny to search this board for conservatives claiming for years and years that global warming wasn’t real.
And to be clear they will never come back and admit they were wrong.
Its almost like you dont understand shit.One of the biggest issues with climate change is that it's been politicized. This is a problem that requires science and technology, not politics. When CFCs were an issue for the ozone, they fixed that by making products not have CFCs in them anymore. The average person was not affected by this, they just went to the store, bought the product they normally buy, and now it was available as being better for the environment. Problem solved.
With climate change they're not doing this. Instead they're basically punishing people via more taxes for simply living their lives, and demonizing anyone who wants to enjoy the fruit of their hard earned money by buying a truck, or trying to heat their home, or God forbid, buying groceries. I've even had people here demonize me for living in a smaller city being worse for the environment... which I have a hard time believing when places like Toronto are gridlocked 24/7 and commutes are like an hour+ while I'm like less than 10 minutes away from anything, 5 if I get lucky and hit all the green lights. But regardless, this whole idea of demonizing or punishing others because of how they want to live, making life more expensive or trying to force people to live a different way is not the answer.
What we REALLY need is technology changes, such as implementing large scale carbon capture systems that can capture at a faster rate than carbon going into the air and faster than trees can, while using a smaller footprint (otherwise... just need to plant more trees). We also need better battery tech that is cheaper and cleaner to produce so that EVs and maybe even larger scale vehicles can be affordable, and we also need large scale grid level storage so that the grid can function 100% on renewables. Produce multiple times what is needed and store the rest, make sure whatever this storage tech is can power the entire grid for months if it has to.
And even if they do all this, they need to make it affordable and available to the masses. Make electricity so cheap, that people can just heat with it too instead of natural gas. EVs need to be cheaper too. They should be the standard option when buying a car, instead of the luxery option. But even if consumers go 100% green it won't do anything if changes don't happen at the top, such as planes, big ships, heavy equipement, processes such as concrete production etc. All those need to be converted to green too. At the end of the day, technology and the will power to use it and make it available, is what we need. Some things have improved, such as better availability of battery operated lawn and garden tools that are not that much more expensive than gas equivalants, but that's a drop in the bucket.
Because it was regulated. By the govt.When CFCs were an issue for the ozone, they fixed that by making products not have CFCs in them anymore.
One of the biggest issues with climate change is that it's been politicized.
And conservative dumbfucks who allow themselves to be fooled by it every time. Lead, cigarettes, CFCs and now emissions. Same playbook. Same exact dumbfucks fooled by it every time.The only people politicising climate change are by those who don't want their bottom line to be affected by progress, e.g. fossil fuel lobbyists.
It's like you get it, then you don't And then you say you will, and then you won't You're undecided now So what are you gonna do?....One of the biggest issues with climate change is that it's been politicized. This is a problem that requires science and technology, not politics. When CFCs were an issue for the ozone, they fixed that by making products not have CFCs in them anymore. The average person was not affected by this, they just went to the store, bought the product they normally buy, and now it was available as being better for the environment. Problem solved.
With climate change they're not doing this. Instead they're basically punishing people via more taxes for simply living their lives, and demonizing anyone who wants to enjoy the fruit of their hard earned money by buying a truck, or trying to heat their home, or God forbid, buying groceries. I've even had people here demonize me for living in a smaller city being worse for the environment... which I have a hard time believing when places like Toronto are gridlocked 24/7 and commutes are like an hour+ while I'm like less than 10 minutes away from anything, 5 if I get lucky and hit all the green lights. But regardless, this whole idea of demonizing or punishing others because of how they want to live, making life more expensive or trying to force people to live a different way is not the answer.
What we REALLY need is technology changes, such as implementing large scale carbon capture systems that can capture at a faster rate than carbon going into the air and faster than trees can, while using a smaller footprint (otherwise... just need to plant more trees). We also need better battery tech that is cheaper and cleaner to produce so that EVs and maybe even larger scale vehicles can be affordable, and we also need large scale grid level storage so that the grid can function 100% on renewables. Produce multiple times what is needed and store the rest, make sure whatever this storage tech is can power the entire grid for months if it has to.
And even if they do all this, they need to make it affordable and available to the masses. Make electricity so cheap, that people can just heat with it too instead of natural gas. EVs need to be cheaper too. They should be the standard option when buying a car, instead of the luxery option. But even if consumers go 100% green it won't do anything if changes don't happen at the top, such as planes, big ships, heavy equipement, processes such as concrete production etc. All those need to be converted to green too. At the end of the day, technology and the will power to use it and make it available, is what we need. Some things have improved, such as better availability of battery operated lawn and garden tools that are not that much more expensive than gas equivalants, but that's a drop in the bucket.
Is that a criticism of what he said? I don't see him being wrong in a lot of the things he is saying. Better use of technology and less use of carbon fuels just coz they are cheaper, is the long term solution. Unfortunately, those with deep pockets will lose money on this approach when they can just push for the cheaper fuels and keep making their current profits. So it's not really us. It's them that are the problem. The rich and powerful.It's like you get it, then you don't And then you say you will, and then you won't You're undecided now So what are you gonna do?....
CFC vs changing a pillar of our civilization has been essentially attempted in the same way. The process of implementation is different and the scale is also massively different. Yes, it is inconvenient, sorry.Is that a criticism of what he said? I don't see him being wrong in a lot of the things he is saying. Better use of technology and less use of carbon fuels just coz they are cheaper, is the long term solution. Unfortunately, those with deep pockets will lose money on this approach when they can just push for the cheaper fuels and keep making their current profits. So it's not really us. It's them that are the problem. The rich and powerful.
It's almost like you're so close to getting it and then off you go. Which group of people "politicized" climate change?One of the biggest issues with climate change is that it's been politicized. This is a problem that requires science and technology, not politics. When CFCs were an issue for the ozone, they fixed that by making products not have CFCs in them anymore. The average person was not affected by this, they just went to the store, bought the product they normally buy, and now it was available as being better for the environment. Problem solved.
With climate change they're not doing this. Instead they're basically punishing people via more taxes for simply living their lives, and demonizing anyone who wants to enjoy the fruit of their hard earned money by buying a truck, or trying to heat their home, or God forbid, buying groceries. I've even had people here demonize me for living in a smaller city being worse for the environment... which I have a hard time believing when places like Toronto are gridlocked 24/7 and commutes are like an hour+ while I'm like less than 10 minutes away from anything, 5 if I get lucky and hit all the green lights. But regardless, this whole idea of demonizing or punishing others because of how they want to live, making life more expensive or trying to force people to live a different way is not the answer.
What we REALLY need is technology changes, such as implementing large scale carbon capture systems that can capture at a faster rate than carbon going into the air and faster than trees can, while using a smaller footprint (otherwise... just need to plant more trees). We also need better battery tech that is cheaper and cleaner to produce so that EVs and maybe even larger scale vehicles can be affordable, and we also need large scale grid level storage so that the grid can function 100% on renewables. Produce multiple times what is needed and store the rest, make sure whatever this storage tech is can power the entire grid for months if it has to.
And even if they do all this, they need to make it affordable and available to the masses. Make electricity so cheap, that people can just heat with it too instead of natural gas. EVs need to be cheaper too. They should be the standard option when buying a car, instead of the luxery option. But even if consumers go 100% green it won't do anything if changes don't happen at the top, such as planes, big ships, heavy equipement, processes such as concrete production etc. All those need to be converted to green too. At the end of the day, technology and the will power to use it and make it available, is what we need. Some things have improved, such as better availability of battery operated lawn and garden tools that are not that much more expensive than gas equivalants, but that's a drop in the bucket.
If you lived in Texas it would be in your face all the time. For instance, today the forecast high is 87 in my area on fucking November 17th. Historical norm for the date is 71. It's crazy how hot our summers have gotten, you never see kids outside enjoying their summer vacation like I did in the 80s and 90s when a normal July day was 94 vs now when it's 102+.It should be in everybody's face all the time.
Didn't parts of Texas set new records this year for most consecutive days over 100?If you lived in Texas it would be in your face all the time. For instance, today the forecast high is 87 in my area on fucking November 17th. Historical norm for the date is 71. It's crazy how hot our summers have gotten, you never see kids outside enjoying their summer vacation like I did in the 80s and 90s when a normal July day was 94 vs now when it's 102+.
Didn't parts of Texas set new records this year for most consecutive days over 100?
Do you burn your house down because you are chilly and want a fire to warm up temporary? That is what you're advocating, you stupid motherfucking waste of oxygen.What do you expect? Should I burst into tears and throw myself on the floor? Perhaps rail at everyone that uses energy?
We did this, all of us. No matter how much we bloviate in this forum, it's not going to get better because we're not going to give up our luxury lifestyle.
I'd be surprised if it was this year, as we had a tropical storm and a hurricane hit. 2022 and especially 2023 were the ridiculous record breaking summers. Though even with the tropical storm and hurricane hits in June and July that significantly cooled a lot of the state down for a couple of weeks each time we still were I think #11 or #12 for most days of 100+ recorded in a year in San Antonio this year. I mean this is best case scenario for our summer temps getting hit by two big tropical storms/hurricanes and we were still something like two weeks of 100+ days above the 30 year rolling average for days of 100+ per year in San Antonio. Our fall has been absolutely ridiculous in San Antonio. In 35 years of living here I have never seen a fall where October had so many 90s and November so many 80s (as well as some 90s). I remember growing up here you'd have to wear a jacket after Halloween. Now I don't even buy them anymore and a windbreaker or a sweater is enough for our winters.Didn't parts of Texas set new records this year for most consecutive days over 100?
2023 was way worse, I kid you not. I was so glad when summer 2022 was over because it was the hottest one I had seen living 35 years in the area and thought well next one won't be this bad, maybe it'll be 5 years before we see another summer like this. Nope, 2023 was much hotter.When I left Austin in summer of 2022 the city had broken the record for the most consecutive days over 100F.
2023 was way worse, I kid you not. I was so glad when summer 2022 was over because it was the hottest one I had seen living 35 years in the area and thought well next one won't be this bad, maybe it'll be 5 years before we see another summer like this. Nope, 2023 was much hotter.
Ugh I moved from LA where I never even bothered with owning an AC. Though family is the main thing keeping me in South Texas. If I was to move I'd just leave this piece of shit country and go to Japan or New Zealand.I do not regret moving to San Diego in the least.
He's not burning his own house down; he's burning his kids' houses down. LOL would expect nothing else from him though, parroting oil company propaganda.Do you burn your house down because you are chilly and want a fire to warm up temporary? That is what you're advocating, you stupid motherfucking waste of oxygen.
I'm not fan of cowards that pretend to be tough guy's when they're anonymous. You should take the "man" part out of your name, it doesn't apply.Do you burn your house down because you are chilly and want a fire to warm up temporary? That is what you're advocating, you stupid motherfucking waste of oxygen.
1) ‘The problem is climate change has become politicized!!’It's like you get it, then you don't And then you say you will, and then you won't You're undecided now So what are you gonna do?....