Question I need some advice on upgrading one of my two computer builds for gaming and video editing.

TooMuchViolence

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I have loved video gaming since the 1970s, and this will probably be my last gaming system. I have very limited funds and want to make every penny count.
I wasn't planning to buy the PlayStation 5 Pro, but I am considering upgrading one of my PCs for gaming and video editing.If any mix-and-matching can improve one of these computers, then add a video card, power supply, and RAM. I live in USA
My monitor is LG QNED80 Series 50-Inch Class QNED Mini LED Smart TV with 4K Processor Smart Flat Screen TV for Gaming with Magic Remote AI-Powered 50QNED80URA, 2023. I play mostly open-world games and FPSs.
What is the best I can achieve without using water cooling?
Here are some short questions:
What is the best video card I can get based on my current setup? Should I add more RAM, or is the RAM I have already outdated?
The video card I have is from 2017 and I am looking for 4K resolution. the 2017 GPU is

EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW DT GAMING ACX 3.0, 8GB GDDR5X, RGB LED, 10CM FAN, 10 Power Phases, Double BIOS, DX12 OSD Support (PXOC) Graphics Card 08G-P4-6284-KR​

I am willing to spend between $600 and $1000. I would really like to experience the best in computer gaming, but that seems out of my reach. Thank you for any help you can provide.
I have two computer builds. One was way back in 2018 (I had more money to buy latest hardware). 2nd build was in 2022 and I had a lot less money. Both computers are running win 11
2022 build
ntel® Core™ i5-11600K Desktop
be quiet! Pure Rock 2 150W TDP CPU Cooler
ASUS Prime Z590-P LGA 1200 (Intel® 11th/10th Gen)
CORSAIR iCUE 4000X RGB Tempered Glass Mid-Tower ATX PC Case - 3X SP120 RGB Elite Fans
CORSAIR RM Series (2021), RM750, 750 Watt, 80 Plus Gold
SAMSUNG 870 EVO SATA SSD 500GB 2.5” Internal Solid State Drive,
CORSAIR VENGEANCE LPX DDR4 RAM 16GB (2x8GB) 3200MHz
2018 build
CM Storm Trooper - Gaming Full Tower Computer Case
Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo CPU Cooler (RR-212E-20PK-R2), 120mm PWM Fan,
CORSAIR VENGEANCE LPX DDR4 RAM 16GB (2x8GB) 3000MHz
ASUS PRIME Z370-A LGA1151 DDR4 DP HDMI DVI M.2 USB 3.1 Z370 ATX
Intel Core i7-8700K Desktop Processor 6 Cores up to 4.7GHz Turbo Unlocked LGA1151 300 Series 95W
CORSAIR AX Series, AX760, 760 Watt, 80+ Platinum Certified, Fully Modular Power Supply.
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I don’t see any GPU listed for either build.

If I was upgrading either system with that budget, the 2022 system with a good GPU would make the most sense.
Something like a nVidia RTX4070, 4071 Super, 4070 Ti…or, if you prefer AMD, the 7900 series seem to be very popular. (I’m on team Intel/nVidia…so can’t advise on those)
 
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I don’t see any GPU listed for either build.

If I was upgrading either system with that budget, the 2022 system with a good GPU would make the most sense.
Something like a nVidia RTX4070, 4071 Super, 4070 Ti…or, if you prefer AMD, the 7900 series seem to be very popular. (I’m on team Intel/nVidia…so can’t advise on those)
I apologize for not including the GPU in my previous message. While it may be outdated, purchased in 2017 here are the details: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW DT Gaming ACX 3.0, 8GB GDDR5X. Additionally, I forgot to mention that I am looking for a 4K resolution. I usually end up going with intel .

Thank you for your suggestions, and I apologize again for the missing information.
 

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Firstly, this is the system you should use for gaming:

2022 build
Intel® Core™ i5-11600K Desktop
be quiet! Pure Rock 2 150W TDP CPU Cooler
ASUS Prime Z590-P LGA 1200 (Intel® 11th/10th Gen)
CORSAIR iCUE 4000X RGB Tempered Glass Mid-Tower ATX PC Case - 3X SP120 RGB Elite Fans
CORSAIR RM Series (2021), RM750, 750 Watt, 80 Plus Gold
SAMSUNG 870 EVO SATA SSD 500GB 2.5” Internal Solid State Drive,
CORSAIR VENGEANCE LPX DDR4 RAM 16GB (2x8GB) 3200MHz

Upgrade the ram to 32GB and probably replace the old 500GB SSD with a new 1TB NVMe SSD. For the graphics card i'd probably go with an RTX 4070 Super.
 
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TooMuchViolence

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Firstly, this is the system you should use for gaming:

2022 build
Intel® Core™ i5-11600K Desktop
be quiet! Pure Rock 2 150W TDP CPU Cooler
ASUS Prime Z590-P LGA 1200 (Intel® 11th/10th Gen)
CORSAIR iCUE 4000X RGB Tempered Glass Mid-Tower ATX PC Case - 3X SP120 RGB Elite Fans
CORSAIR RM Series (2021), RM750, 750 Watt, 80 Plus Gold
SAMSUNG 870 EVO SATA SSD 500GB 2.5” Internal Solid State Drive,
CORSAIR VENGEANCE LPX DDR4 RAM 16GB (2x8GB) 3200MHz

Upgrade the ram to 32GB and probably replace the old 500GB SSD with a new 1TB NVMe SSD. For the graphics card i'd probably go with an RTX 4070 Super.
Many different brands offer the RTX 4070 at varying prices, and I was wondering if you have a favorite. I have always preferred Asus and Nvidia. Thank you again.
 

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I apologize for not including the GPU in my previous message. While it may be outdated, purchased in 2017 here are the details: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW DT Gaming ACX 3.0, 8GB GDDR5X. Additionally, I forgot to mention that I am looking for a 4K resolution. I usually end up going with intel .

Thank you for your suggestions, and my opologies again for the missing information.
That’s still a decent video card. If you upgrade, you should be able to sell it here to recoup some of your costs. I forgot to mention adding an NVMe drive to your system. About 10x faster than SSDs…and rather affordable. (Davybrat covered that, but worth mentioning again.)
 

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Many different brands offer the RTX 4070 at varying prices, and I was wondering if you have a favorite. I have always preferred Asus and Nvidia. Thank you again.
I’m a fan of EVGA video cards…sadly, they got out of the market. ASUS customer service has gone to sh* t lately. Not sure I’d go that way. MAYBE MSI…
 

TooMuchViolence

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That’s still a decent video card. If you upgrade, you should be able to sell it here to recoup some of your costs. I forgot to mention adding an NVMe drive to your system. About 10x faster than SSDs…and rather affordable. (Davybrat covered that, but worth mentioning again.)
I didn’t even think to check the price of my old GPU. It's still going for a few hundred dollars. Back then, I was focused on getting much more than I can now. I would keep it, but I want to experience 4K gaming. I have that GPU in my 2018 build, and it was first installed in my 2013 build when I upgraded it in 2017. The 2022 build was for work, and I used the CPU graphics for that. ty.
 

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I’m a fan of EVGA video cards…sadly, they got out of the market. ASUS customer service has gone to sh* t lately. Not sure I’d go that way. MAYBE MSI…
I have not used CS very often (only for returns). That was not the case when I used to buy from Gateway or Dell, though! This is one of the reasons I would never buy a pre-built computer again. The computer I’m currently working on is one that I purchased for my wife in 2018, and it can’t update to Windows 11. She wanted an all-in-one PC, and it uses less electricity than my multi-screen setups. ASUS update web site used to confuse me. I have not been there in a long time. ty
 

manly

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welcome to the forums!

You could spend $600 on the 4070 Super, but I think you will be CPU bottlenecked. I don't think this would be a happy 4k experience, but that depends on the games you play. The comparable AMD 7900 XT is less efficient, and may not fit neatly into the 750W power budget.

Honestly if you're in good health, I would just stand pat and be happy with 1440p gaming. DDR4 is cheap, buy storage only as needed: NVMe will help with load times but shouldn't affect frame rates.
Then build one last 4k rig in about 3 years. I wouldn't be surprised if a $350 graphics card would handle 4k AAA gaming at that time.

Sure, you could spend about $800 now for a few upgrades, but it won't knock your socks off. I doubt you'll get a few hundred for the 1080 (at a glance, $130ish seems to be the number on eBay).

For starters, how about moving the 1080 over into the newer PC and see how well that works for you? The 2018 CPU is probably bottlenecking that GPU.
 

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welcome to the forums!

You could spend $600 on the 4070 Super, but I think you will be CPU bottlenecked. I don't think this would be a happy 4k experience, but that depends on the games you play. The comparable AMD 7900 XT is less efficient, and may not fit neatly into the 750W power budget.

Honestly if you're in good health, I would just stand pat and be happy with 1440p gaming. DDR4 is cheap, buy storage only as needed: NVMe will help with load times but shouldn't affect frame rates.
Then build one last 4k rig in about 3 years. I wouldn't be surprised if a $350 graphics card would handle 4k AAA gaming at that time.

Sure, you could spend about $800 now for a few upgrades, but it won't knock your socks off. I doubt you'll get a few hundred for the 1080 (at a glance, $130ish seems to be the number on eBay).

For starters, how about moving the 1080 over into the newer PC and see how well that works for you? The 2018 CPU is probably bottlenecking that GPU.
That GTX1080 is actually capable of 4K resolution...how well it will do 4K is another question...


I considered a 4K monitor a couple of years ago. At the time, I had an RTX2070 which would do 4K...but not great. I ended up going with a decent (not great, but better than mediocre) 32" 1440 Dell monitor. I'm happy as can be with it.
 

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That GTX1080 is actually capable of 4K resolution...how well it will do 4K is another question...
which goes to my point. I don't believe he gets full value out of buying a 4070 Super today. It'll certainly be better, but not the ideal 4K experience.

Presumably in 4-5 months, the GeForce RTX 5070 will be a $600 card. Doesn't change the rest of my argument/advice but that's a free upgrade by waiting just a few months.

I understand #YOLO but if this is your last upgrade/DIY build, you want to get max value out of it.
 

TooMuchViolence

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welcome to the forums!

You could spend $600 on the 4070 Super, but I think you will be CPU bottlenecked. I don't think this would be a happy 4k experience, but that depends on the games you play. The comparable AMD 7900 XT is less efficient, and may not fit neatly into the 750W power budget.

Honestly if you're in good health, I would just stand pat and be happy with 1440p gaming. DDR4 is cheap, buy storage only as needed: NVMe will help with load times but shouldn't affect frame rates.
Then build one last 4k rig in about 3 years. I wouldn't be surprised if a $350 graphics card would handle 4k AAA gaming at that time.

Sure, you could spend about $800 now for a few upgrades, but it won't knock your socks off. I doubt you'll get a few hundred for the 1080 (at a glance, $130ish seems to be the number on eBay).

For starters, how about moving the 1080 over into the newer PC and see how well that works for you? The 2018 CPU is probably bottlenecking that GPU.
welcome to the forums!

You could spend $600 on the 4070 Super, but I think you will be CPU bottlenecked. I don't think this would be a happy 4k experience, but that depends on the games you play. The comparable AMD 7900 XT is less efficient, and may not fit neatly into the 750W power budget.

Honestly if you're in good health, I would just stand pat and be happy with 1440p gaming. DDR4 is cheap, buy storage only as needed: NVMe will help with load times but shouldn't affect frame rates.
Then build one last 4k rig in about 3 years. I wouldn't be surprised if a $350 graphics card would handle 4k AAA gaming at that time.

Sure, you could spend about $800 now for a few upgrades, but it won't knock your socks off. I doubt you'll get a few hundred for the 1080 (at a glance, $130ish seems to be the number on eBay).

For starters, how about moving the 1080 over into the newer PC and see how well that works for you? The 2018 CPU is probably bottlenecking that GPU.
I am currently playing 4K games on my PlayStation 4 Pro. I have watched several videos showing how to build a PC comparable to a PlayStation 5 Pro for only a few hundred dollars. I was hoping to achieve a similar setup to the PS5 Pro upgrading the systems I already own.
If I can get better performance than the PS5 Pro, that would be great! However, I can't wait three years. My wife passed away, and shortly after, my dog died as well. I am stuck here in Idaho with nothing to do. Open-world games have been a wonderful escape for me. Unfortunately, I can’t replay a game once I’ve finished it, and I’ve completed everything I was willing to play on the PS4 Pro and Xbox One. TV shows and movies are no longer working for me. Out of curiosity, I might see how the 1080 performs if I move it to my new PC but I want something equal to or better than the PS 5 Pro.ty.
I dont know what games I will be playing but I liked... RD2, Horizon, GTA V, The Witcher 3, Dayz Gone, FarCry 5, Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon, Breakpoint, Uncharted 4, The Phantom Pain and a few other FPS's. I wish I could play them again but it feels too lonely and the game has already been beat.
 

TooMuchViolence

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That GTX1080 is actually capable of 4K resolution...how well it will do 4K is another question...


I considered a 4K monitor a couple of years ago. At the time, I had an RTX2070 which would do 4K...but not great. I ended up going with a decent (not great, but better than mediocre) 32" 1440 Dell monitor. I'm happy as can be with it.
That GTX1080 is actually capable of 4K resolution...how well it will do 4K is another question...


I considered a 4K monitor a couple of years ago. At the time, I had an RTX2070 which would do 4K...but not great. I ended up going with a decent (not great, but better than mediocre) 32" 1440 Dell monitor. I'm happy as can be with it.
I'm not surprised by how good the graphics card is. I have always liked tech, and back then I had the budget for it. My TV has an HDMI 2.1 port, while my 1080 GPU only has a 2.0 port. From what I understand, I need the 2.1 port on my TV to play in 4K, but I'm not entirely sure. Do you think it would be better than the PS5 Pro? I can't help but smile thinking that after 8 years, my GPU is still decent. ty
 

TooMuchViolence

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which goes to my point. I don't believe he gets full value out of buying a 4070 Super today. It'll certainly be better, but not the ideal 4K experience.

Presumably in 4-5 months, the GeForce RTX 5070 will be a $600 card. Doesn't change the rest of my argument/advice but that's a free upgrade by waiting just a few months.

I understand #YOLO but if this is your last upgrade/DIY build, you want to get max value out of it.
Everything you say is correct, but I’m going a little crazy here with nothing to do. I’m hoping for a good Black Friday sale. There’s nothing worth watching on TV, and I’ve finished all the games I’m willing to play on my PS4 Pro and Xbox One. Sadly, gaming is the only thing I truly enjoy. In fact, coming here to talk about the computer is the most peaceful experience I’ve had in a long time.
 

TooMuchViolence

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which goes to my point. I don't believe he gets full value out of buying a 4070 Super today. It'll certainly be better, but not the ideal 4K experience.

Presumably in 4-5 months, the GeForce RTX 5070 will be a $600 card. Doesn't change the rest of my argument/advice but that's a free upgrade by waiting just a few months.

I understand #YOLO but if this is your last upgrade/DIY build, you want to get max value out of it.
I just read about the RTX 5070.
However, if you can afford to wait for a GPU that will offer superior performance in 4K gaming and professional workflows, the RTX 5070 could be the better long-term investment. Expected to release in mid-to-late 2024, the RTX 5070 promises to bring next-gen improvements in both gaming and content creation, making it an exciting prospect for those looking to future-proof their system.

Ultimately, the choice comes down to your immediate needs and how much you’re willing to spend. The RTX 4070 delivers outstanding performance today, while the RTX 5070 promises to redefine what’s possible in the future of gaming and content creation.......


I understand more of what you are saying now. ty
 

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I just read about the RTX 5070.
However, if you can afford to wait for a GPU that will offer superior performance in 4K gaming and professional workflows, the RTX 5070 could be the better long-term investment. Expected to release in mid-to-late 2024, the RTX 5070 promises to bring next-gen improvements in both gaming and content creation, making it an exciting prospect for those looking to future-proof their system.

Ultimately, the choice comes down to your immediate needs and how much you’re willing to spend. The RTX 4070 delivers outstanding performance today, while the RTX 5070 promises to redefine what’s possible in the future of gaming and content creation.......


I understand more of what you are saying now. ty
If you look up benchmarks, you'll see the 4070 Super is considered a pretty good 4K gaming card, but not spectacular. It sits at a reasonable price point, if we're actually brainwashed into thinking $600 is now reasonable.

But whether you get the 4070 or upcoming 5070, you won't see the full benefit because your CPU is a little underpowered. If you see an awesome Black Friday deal, then I can understand pulling the trigger. Otherwise, it can't hurt to wait for the 5070. Black Friday is a good time to be buying components, and there is a chance that the Trump admin will slap some hefty tariffs on made in China electronics next year. TBD.

Do you have a bunch of unplayed games waiting in Steam? I'm not even a gamer, and I probably have a lifetime of older games waiting for me if I ever find that itch again. So I'm happy to read that you still have it, and are looking to spark that joy.

As for theoretical comparisons between a console and a gaming PC, don't read too much into it. A PS5 isn't that powerful compared to a new gaming rig, but it is purpose-built for gaming.
 

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which goes to my point. I don't believe he gets full value out of buying a 4070 Super today. It'll certainly be better, but not the ideal 4K experience.

Presumably in 4-5 months, the GeForce RTX 5070 will be a $600 card. Doesn't change the rest of my argument/advice but that's a free upgrade by waiting just a few months.

I understand #YOLO but if this is your last upgrade/DIY build, you want to get max value out of it.

If you look up benchmarks, you'll see the 4070 Super is considered a pretty good 4K gaming card, but not spectacular. It sits at a reasonable price point, if we're actually brainwashed into thinking $600 is now reasonable.

But whether you get the 4070 or upcoming 5070, you won't see the full benefit because your CPU is a little underpowered. If you see an awesome Black Friday deal, then I can understand pulling the trigger. Otherwise, it can't hurt to wait for the 5070. Black Friday is a good time to be buying components, and there is a chance that the Trump admin will slap some hefty tariffs on made in China electronics next year. TBD.

Do you have a bunch of unplayed games waiting in Steam? I'm not even a gamer, and I probably have a lifetime of older games waiting for me if I ever find that itch again. So I'm happy to read that you still have it, and are looking to spark that joy.

As for theoretical comparisons between a console and a gaming PC, don't read too much into it. A PS5 isn't that powerful compared to a new gaming rig, but it is purpose-built for gaming.
I had some fun games on Steam back in the day. I think I was playing Half-Life, doom, quake 1 and 2, and CTF. I don't even know what email I used back then, so I will probably need to make a new account. The games I mentioned were for the PS 4 Pro and Xbox One. I don't play on line because those guys kill me way to fast lol.
 

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Thank you to everyone who has helped me with this. After doing further research, I've decided that, given my budget, I will likely choose a resolution of 1440p with higher frames per second. If you would like to change your recommendations based on this decision, please feel free to do so. Thank you once again!
 

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That’s still a decent video card. If you upgrade, you should be able to sell it here to recoup some of your costs. I forgot to mention adding an NVMe drive to your system. About 10x faster than SSDs…and rather affordable. (Davybrat covered that, but worth mentioning again.)
I like the idea of an NVMe also for video editing. Is there a sweet spot for that, or will my motherboard determine which I can use?
 

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which goes to my point. I don't believe he gets full value out of buying a 4070 Super today. It'll certainly be better, but not the ideal 4K experience.

Presumably in 4-5 months, the GeForce RTX 5070 will be a $600 card. Doesn't change the rest of my argument/advice but that's a free upgrade by waiting just a few months.

I understand #YOLO but if this is your last upgrade/DIY build, you want to get max value out of it.
I just read that the release date for the GeForce RTX 5070 is in January. The 12 GB of VRAM is a concern for some people, even though it’s faster. While shopping, I've noticed that during and immediately after the COVID shutdown, the quality of products seemed to decline while prices increased. The January release of the 5070 might signal the end of that trend—at least that’s my opinion.

Do you have an opinion on which current Nvidia GPU is equal to the 5070? With Black Friday sales approaching, I’d like to compare the price of the current GPU with the predicted price of the 5070. ty
 

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I like the idea of an NVMe also for video editing. Is there a sweet spot for that, or will my motherboard determine which I can use?
Your motherboard supports M.2 PCIe 4.0, which is the standard these days (PCIe 5.0 is out, but niche and yields almost no benefit for consumer workloads).

There are lots of NVMe SSDs available at different price points. Here's an example of a "high-end" part, but you could target a lower price point and still be quite happy.



I just read that the release date for the GeForce RTX 5070 is in January. The 12 GB of VRAM is a concern for some people, even though it’s faster. While shopping, I've noticed that during and immediately after the COVID shutdown, the quality of products seemed to decline while prices increased. The January release of the 5070 might signal the end of that trend—at least that’s my opinion.

Do you have an opinion on which current Nvidia GPU is equal to the 5070? With Black Friday sales approaching, I’d like to compare the price of the current GPU with the predicted price of the 5070. ty
On average, a generational upgrade will be say 15% faster (could be higher but innovation is arguably slowing down).

I haven't looked at the numbers but in theory, you could compare a 5070 to a current 4070 Ti Super. BUT the higher the model, the higher the power requirements as well.

One of the advantages of the 4070 Super is it fits into your current power budget. The 4070 Ti Super probably fits, but just barely. (Obviously it's nice to get 16GB VRAM if that's something you really need.)

And just to reiterate one last time, the higher up in the product stack you go, the more performance you're leaving on the table by being imbalanced with the older CPU. I certainly would not go any higher than the 4070 Ti Super, and even that is arguably a stretch.

As a cautionary tale, I've wasted lots of money on unnecessary components over the decades. Buying what you need when you need it is always the best strategy, although Black Friday does represent a great time to at least look around.
 
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I like the idea of an NVMe also for video editing. Is there a sweet spot for that, or will my motherboard determine which I can use?
Looks like your board will support PCIe 3.0 and 4.0., so any good PCIe gen 4 drive will do just fine. 2GB seems to be the sweet spot price-wise…with many decent options for around $100-$150. I saw a MSI 2tb NVMe for $90 earlier.

No idea how good they are.


I have two Western Digital SN770 drives, (1tb and 2tb) and an older HP EX950 1tb. No complaints about any of them.

The difference in speed is astounding.

Crucial mx500 SSD:




WD SN770

 
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I appreciate all the suggestions you've given me. After reviewing the comments, I've decided to place a gaming PC in the living room and a video editing PC in my home office. Currently, I'm unsure how well the 2018 build will perform for 4K video editing, and I plan to upgrade the 2022 build for gaming. Initially, I didn't think the 1080 could handle 4K video editing, but after reading your comments, I believe it can.
 
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