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ToTTenTranz

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Well i am hearing rumours of approximately 4070-4070S for high end BMG

If it's priced at around $400, it will not only destroy current day's value proposition of the RTX 40 and RX7000 series, but it will also put the PS5 Pro in a tough spot as people outside the US will actually be able to build a faster PC for the same price.
 

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If it's priced at around $400, it will not only destroy current day's value proposition of the RTX 40 and RX7000 series, but it will also put the PS5 Pro in a tough spot as people outside the US will actually be able to build a faster PC for the same price.
It will be around 450$ iirc just rumours don't put much stock into it but yes it will destroy value proposition the biggest thing is celestial is alive as a dGPU for how long we will have to see doomers will keep saying anything


 

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The frame gen issue is more prominent to mouse and keyboard. Controllers, especially on handhelds with the small screens, make upscaling at lower res, and frame gen, more useful. Even when starting from sub 60. Millions of console gamers blissfully play at 30.

Exactly this. Gamepads in consoles have high input latencies anyways, especially when set to 60Hz.



People are just used to high latencies when playing with gamepads.


Couple that with high pixel density on small screens (our central vision is slow, peripheral is fast), and aggressive upscaling + framegen are excellent candidates for handheld consoles/PCs.
I'd be surprised if there's no framegen on the Switch 2 running on Ampere. They'll probably have DLSS3 magically solved for Ampere's Optical Flow Generator. Or at least do a fork of FSR3 and claim it to be their own.

If the FSR implementation is good, my Legion Go will fly with high-ish settings using "Ultra Performance" + framegen. Even AFMF works wonders.
 

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Lisa Su would also care, after all RDNA4 is going after marketshare. That’s where the focus is next gen for AMD.
The MSRP will dispell this myth. It's the same strategy as all previous RDNAs but this time without a high-end again.

So Battle Mage is likely to be value competitive. Though, based on my experience, I think I prefer RDNA drivers to Intel's. Never had to read configuration files for DXVK mappers before and I'd like to not do it again.
 
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Never had to read configuration files for DXVK mappers before and I'd like to not do it again.
Hopefully they have fixed that somehow, like maybe a compatibility mode pretending to be Intel HD graphics which should solve DX11 and earlier compatibility issues.
 

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Hopefully they have fixed that somehow, like maybe a compatibility mode pretending to be Intel HD graphics which should solve DX11 and earlier compatibility issues.
False hopium. ARC is what it is. We have been told the hardware is nerfed.

My experience is that older games are a crapshoot. Arkham Knight would not launch for me without DXVK, then I saw the same issue exists on the MSI Claw. A problem that is more than 2yrs old now. My old DX 8.1 game would not get past GPU detection. Crysis and some of the other older games like AC:Black Flag require compromises other IHVs do not. And even then a 1050ti would run them better. The list goes on.

Even when the driver notes say an old game has been radically improved, frame pacing can be trash. And I would run into this weird thing where every time there is considerable draw distance is some games, fps would tank. I could get most games I tried running well enough to enjoy them, but again an old AMD or Nvidia card would play them better wiht zero hassles.
 
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I meant they may have fixed that in Battlemage since whatever hardware issue was there in Alchemist, they may have ensured not to repeat that mistake.
My bad.

If Gandalf needs rebar or DXVK to perform properly, it's DOA. New games being partially or completely broken on day one has to be fixed too. Along with correcting the subpar performance in some of them. Confidence is high that stuff has all been addressed. Bean counters ax is already slicing, it'll be all of their heads if they nerf it this time.

Remember all of those refurb PCs we saw with the A380 in them? My guess is they were returns because of gaming issues. It explains the pricing too. I think it's why I see so many with the RX 6400 AND 6500XT as well. People buy them, try them, return them because they underperform.
 

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My bad.

If Gandalf needs rebar or DXVK to perform properly, it's DOA. New games being partially or completely broken on day one has to be fixed too. Along with correcting the subpar performance in some of them. Confidence is high that stuff has all been addressed. Bean counters ax is already slicing, it'll be all of their heads if they nerf it this time.
Nope they are not axing GPU department Pat has been vocal about it and Intel needs GPU architectures for client Xe1 was a horrible mess with inconsistency with DC/Client GPUs battlemaged has many things it fixes as for ReBar I can't comment on it and for DXVK if someone has LNL he can find it out himself
 

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Nope they are not axing GPU department Pat has been vocal about it and Intel needs GPU architectures for client Xe1 was a horrible mess with inconsistency with DC/Client GPUs battlemaged has many things it fixes as for ReBar I can't comment on it and for DXVK if someone has LNL he can find it out himself
Bruh, I stopped listening to anything push ups Pat said months ago. I am confident they will keep iGPU around, dGPU not so much. Let this money crunch keep going, and all bets are off.
 

Hans Gruber

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False hopium. ARC is what it is. We have been told the hardware is nerfed.

My experience is that older games are a crapshoot. Arkham Knight would not launch for me without DXVK, then I saw the same issue exists on the MSI Claw. A problem that is more than 2yrs old now. My old DX 8.1 game would not get past GPU detection. Crysis and some of the other older games like AC:Black Flag require compromises other IHVs do not. And even then a 1050ti would run them better. The list goes on.

Even when the driver notes say an old game has been radically improved, frame pacing can be trash. And I would run into this weird thing where every time there is considerable draw distance is some games, fps would tank. I could get most games I tried running well enough to enjoy them, but again an old AMD or Nvidia card would play them better wiht zero hassles.
The theory was that ARC architecture was flawed in design. The issues with gameplay on older or any titles was due to a flawed hardware design. Supposedly, Battlemage will fix all issues that plagued ARC. Software driver workarounds could not work because of the hardware design of ARC. First generation GPU difficulties happen. Now Intel needs to show they fixed their issues with Battlemage.

If the hardware is fixed. If the drivers are good. All of the DX8/9 titles that would not work with ARC should work correctly with Battlemage. It's definitely a wait and see game right now.
 

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Bruh, I stopped listening to anything push ups Pat said months ago. I am confident they will keep iGPU around, dGPU not so much. Let this money crunch keep going, and all bets are off.
Let's see what happens cause none of Know for sure what will happen the viable way to make ARC is to make it in Intel Fabs it will solve the biggest problems (cost)
 
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Let's see what happens cause none of Know for sure what will happen the viable way to make ARC is to make it in Intel Fabs it will solve the biggest problems (cost)
Yeah. That is one of Pat's egregious failures. How come he didn't order an Alchemist shrink to Intel 4 or Intel 3? Would've been great practice for their fabs in learning how to fab GPUs to be ready for the future. The previous management was too dumb to use TSMC. The current one thinks TSMC is the easy way and ignoring the costs of paying them and letting their own fabs sit idle.
 

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That's a lot of expense to create something that won't be able to generate revenue in excess of Cost of Goods Sold. Maybe they could deliver a low level product with a tiny die, but pricing power there is VERY weak.
 

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If the hardware is fixed. If the drivers are good. All of the DX8/9 titles that would not work with ARC should work correctly with Battlemage. It's definitely a wait and see game right now.
It will improve noticeably but it won't fix everything. According to leakers the BIG improvement is reserved for Celestial. The changes will be much bigger than on Battlemage.

I do expect ReBar and idle power to be fixed though. Or mostly addressed.
 

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It will improve noticeably but it won't fix everything. According to leakers the BIG improvement is reserved for Celestial. The changes will be much bigger than on Battlemage.

I do expect ReBar and idle power to be fixed though. Or mostly addressed.
Everything will better next gen. Trust us, we'll nail the next landing.

That's peak Intel atm.
 

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It will improve noticeably but it won't fix everything. According to leakers the BIG improvement is reserved for Celestial. The changes will be much bigger than on Battlemage.

I do expect ReBar and idle power to be fixed though. Or mostly addressed.
As long as Intel stays the course and carries on in the GPU market, I will be happy. As consumers, we need more options/competition. Assuming Battlemage is on N4 or N4P, it will be a huge efficiency boost over N6. I use the 4060 as a benchmark of good efficiency. 105-120w real world for lower tier Battlemage chip. Their high end should match/equal a 4070 in power use 165-185w real world gaming power use. That is apples to apples with silicon and the rest is efficiency in design of the GPU.

What will be nice, GPU's with 12GB-16GB vram. I will be watching from the sidelines. The big point of interest will be how well Intel GPU's run older DX8/DX9/DX11 legacy games.

Intel would have a process advantage on cost alone with Celestial if they make their GPU's on 18A. Contrary to what people hype up in the GPU segment. The 4060/5060 and 4070/4070 is the real sweet spot of GPU's. Specially the Nvidia 60 series level of performance is where the volume sales are. Consumers are more likely to upgrade often or more often if they can get a GPU for $200-250.
 

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I expect that most of what BattleMage is will be a fix what's wrong with Alchemist, coupled with an improved process to provide better power/performance metrics. I don't expect it to be ground breaking or particularly competitive. I also don't think that it will offer as much cost/value as Alchemist did.
 
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