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K1052

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No, you impose upon others through conservative agendas, you don't trust others to make their own healthcare decisions, or to be allowed to read whatever books they choose, or to dress how they choose, or to marry who they choose.

Still impressed by the stupidity required to think that conservatives want to stay out of people's lives with the decades of evidence to the contrary. They want to dictate exactly how you can live and use the law to do it.
 

VashHT

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No, you impose upon others through conservative agendas, you don't trust others to make their own healthcare decisions, or to be allowed to read whatever books they choose, or to dress how they choose, or to marry who they choose.
Hey being able to marry someone you love is nothing compared to being "forced" to buy an EV or get rid of a gas stove! Now that republicans are in power we can roll back silly regulations like banning lead in paint.
 
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Hey being able to marry someone you love is nothing compared to being "forced" to buy an EV or get rid of a gas stove! Now that republicans are in power we can roll back silly regulations like banning lead in paint.
It's so ridiculous I have to use these blasted light bulbs to light my house, instead of trusty coal gas or whale oil. Damn liberals.
 

Fenixgoon

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cytg111

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But the price of eggs!

Fuck. Me.

Time to make a donation to the ACLU so they can sue the feds when this shit goes down
I guess some will give shelter to immigrants. I guess others will snitch to the "authorities".
Wonder what the penalty will be for harboring jews.. I mean illegals? Think they will be forced to bear an armband?
Its too fucking crazy, it cant be real.
 

NWRMidnight

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Alright, let's try a different direction. What do YOU think the end game of mass deportations and ethnic/religious cleansing is?
So, your "different direction" is you inadvertantly admitting you only wanted to argue your end game scenerio of guns and blood, that you tried to interject as the topic of discussion. And now you are trying to bait/force it to be the topic of discussion, rather than the actual topic, that I brought up, which was figuring out how to prevent it. Which is why I said "if we don't figure out how to stop it, we are going to have even darker days". I have no desire in arguing end game scenerios, as allowing it to reach that point is not an option. When you have fallen to the point of wanting end game scenerios being the topic of discussion, then you have failed and given up. Trump isn't even in office, so he hasn't even started the mass deportation. Yet, you went straight to the end game, off of my examples of where Trump's mass deporation will lead to next, if we don't do something to prevent it. do I have the answer to preventing it? Nope, not yet, but at least I am not thinking about the end game. Your argument of end game scenerios is equivalant to trying to argue about Nuclear War. The only solution, is not to ever have a Nuclear War, because there will be no winners.
 
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FelixDeCat

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Beautiful isn't it. Obviously the majority of the US doesn't want to end up like Western Europe.

Start with the criminal aliens and gain support. We need to clean house but not unreasonably. It will just cause panic, fear and hysteria. Trump needs to control himself.
 
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QueBert

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Trump never does what he says, but I think with how much he hates brown people he'll actually put effort into this deportation thing and not just talk about it like he does with everything else. And his tactics here will at best be bad, and probably terrible. We can't expect the man who suggested to nuke a hurricane to have any sort of well thought out plan for this.

And I already know a lot of non illegals will get caught up in this shit and deported just because they fit the description. I'm 105 miles from the border and there are lots of illegals in my city. If his plans end up launching, I'll be recording the police a lot more if I see any of this shit happening. I want to document as much of this fuckery as I can.

While immigration is a problem, his solution isn't a solution at all.
 

AG907

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Start with the criminal aliens and gain support. We need to clean house but not unreasonably. It will just cause panic, fear and hysteria. Trump needs to control himself.
Trump has been handed a mandate and we all know the policies he ran on. With that said he's deporting the violent ones first and after that he's going after the rest of them.
 

Fenixgoon

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Trump has been handed a mandate and we all know the policies he ran on. With that said he's deporting the violent ones first and after that he's going after the rest of them.
You know that by commiting crimes, even legal immigrants risk subjecting themselves to deportation right? So the risk for a negative outcome (deportation) is quite high, which means...shocker I know...immigrants, including undocumented immigrants, commit crimes at lower rates than US citizens.

And just how do you plan on finding these mythical violent undocumented immigrants anyway? Do they look a certain way? Speak a certain language? Have a specific ethnicity? Will the police forces be commandeered to stop and demand proof of citizenship or legal residency from every person they see? (Because how will you know who's undocumented and who's not? Or are you just going to rely on police catching people who commit crimes, and IF they just so happen to be an undocumented immigrant, deport them?
 
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AG907

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You know that by commiting crimes, even legal immigrants risk subjecting themselves to deportation right? So the risk for a negative outcome (deportation) is quite high, which means...shocker I know...immigrants, including undocumented immigrants, commit crimes at lower rates than US citizens.

And just how do you plan on finding these mythical violent undocumented immigrants anyway? Do they look a certain way? Speak a certain language? Have a specific ethnicity? Will the police forces be commandeered to stop and demand proof of citizenship or legal residency from every person they see? (Because how will you know who's undocumented and who's not? Or are you just going to rely on police catching people who commit crimes, and IF they just so happen to be an undocumented immigrant, deport them?
Here's some basic math for you: 'If there's 0 illegal immigrants in the US what percentage of crime will be committed by illegal immigrants in the US?'
 

Fenixgoon

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What's to answer? It's pretty obvious he has no clue as to how the Legal US immigration system works.
I didn't ask you how immigration works. I asked you how a trump administration might plan on achieving its goal of deporting undocumented immigrants.

There are 335 million people in the US. Let's say for the sake of this discussion there are 33.5 million undocumented immigrants that Trump could potentially deport, or 1 out of every 10 people in the country. How might the trump administration determine which 1 of those 10 people is the "correct" person to deport?
 

AG907

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I didn't ask you how immigration works. I asked you how a trump administration might plan on achieving its goal of deporting undocumented immigrants.

There are 335 million people in the US. Let's say for the sake of this discussion there are 33.5 million undocumented immigrants that Trump could potentially deport, or 1 out of every 10 people in the country. How might the trump administration determine which 1 of those 10 people is the "correct" person to deport?
If they don't show up on the computer and they have no paperwork they're gone.
 

woolfe9998

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This is wild. Cant really believe it until it happens


This is way more of a concern than just the issue of illegal immigrants. Trump declaring a "national emergency" to use the military domestically is a very bad precedent.
 

AG907

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This is way more of a concern than just the issue of illegal immigrants. Trump declaring a "national emergency" to use the military domestically is a very bad precedent.
So you're saying that using the US military to protect the sovereign borders of the United States of America is a bad thing eh.
 
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woolfe9998

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So you're saying that using the US military to protect the sovereign borders of the United States of America is a bad thing eh.

I'm saying that declaring a phony "national emergency" when there isn't one, and using that to justify the use of the military not to protect borders, but for "mass deportations" meaning a domestic use, is a very bad precedent for any POTUS and especially this one. But you obviously do not see Trump at all which is why you did not get my point. You probably think if Trump uses the military against illegal immigrants that it just stops after that.
 

Paratus

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Every legal immigrant is listed on the US govt. immigration website database. How do I know this? I've been through the LEGAL US immigration process from start to finish.
Shit dude. They know everything about you. You’re likely to be denaturalized and deported. Hope you’ve got a good immigration lawyer on retainer
 

QueBert

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Here's some basic math for you: 'If there's 0 illegal immigrants in the US what percentage of crime will be committed by illegal immigrants in the US?'

I live about 100 miles from the border and my town's full of illegals. Guess who commits the crime here? Not the Illegals, it's mostly American born, Caucasian Meth Heads. The illegals don't commit much of the crime. If every single illegal got deported from my town, it wouldn't make a noticeable dent in crime. I know a lot of Illegals, they aren't the problem when it comes to crime. And if they all get deported, the small % of crimes they did commit will be picked up by the Tweakers and Crack Heads.

I'm close to the border, this idea there are endless Mexican cartel members running around fucking shit up is hilarious. I don't get news from Fox News, or a newspaper, I go out in the real world and see real illegals every day. I'm not sure where the ones who are raping and killing and being menaces are. But there's nowhere near the border. 5 illegals built a wall for my neighbor last week, that's what I see them doing with my own eyes.

I bet you have zero real world experience with anything related to this. You just run with what Trump and the GOP say huh?

Do some need to be deported? Sure, some are criminals but I'd rather the government do something about the fuckin Tweakers. 100% the drug addicts who most are Americans are a far worse problem than these mythical illegals who are evil to the core.
 
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