The brits are in for a rough ride

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AG907

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It's a nice little conspiracy theory, but if you want to make an assertion you'll have to provide some decent evidence that the centrist-at-best UK government wants to shoot itself in the foot by destroying the farming sector for uhhh reasons.

So, where did you learn your new word? Do you remember why they described this tax as Bolshevism, or did they just use the word and you did your best parrot impression?
The UK has been shooting itself in the foot for years now. The Brits had a chance to do good things post Brexit but their govt. blew it big time. Starmer is going to put a bullet in the small farmers and the Brit consumers will be the ones paying the price. If there's one thing the Brits fail miserably at its government.
 
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mikeymikec

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The UK has been shooting itself in the foot for years now. The Brits had a chance to do good things post Brexit but their govt. blew it big time. Starmer is going to put a bullet in the small farmers and the Brit consumers will be the ones paying the price. If there's one thing the Brits fail miserably at its government.

So you don't have any evidence for your assertions, ok.
 

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AG907

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No mention of Bolshevism, destroying the farming sector, redistribution of land, or anything like that.
What do you think will happen to those farmers when they have to pay those draconian taxes? They will either have to sell land or get out all together. Kulaks UK style.
 

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What do you think will happen to those farmers when they have to pay those draconian taxes? They will either have to sell land or get out all together. Kulaks UK style.

First of all you made a load of unsubstantiated assertions, now you're added unsubstantiated alarmism to the pile.

I'm sure you find this to be positively thrilling, but it really isn't.
 

AG907

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First of all you made a load of unsubstantiated assertions, now you're added unsubstantiated alarmism to the pile.

I'm sure you find this to be positively thrilling, but it really isn't.
So what do you think will happen to those farmers if Labour gets it way with the inheritance tax?
 

mikeymikec

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So what do you think will happen to those farmers if Labour gets it way with the inheritance tax?

They will pay some inheritance tax once in a lifetime. There's a bunch of tax rises being brought in to fund investment in for example public sector front line salaries and very likely infrastructure. I'm happy to pay more tax if it means investing in our civilisation. I want teachers to be paid more. I want adequately staffed hospitals. I want things to improve!
 
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KMFJD

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They will pay some inheritance tax once in a lifetime. There's a bunch of tax rises being brought in to fund investment in for example public sector front line salaries and very likely infrastructure. I'm happy to pay more tax if it means investing in our civilisation. I want teachers to be paid more. I want adequately staffed hospitals. I want things to improve!
brexit has it's consequences and there's serious funding deficiencies now ?
 

AG907

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brexit has it's consequences and there's serious funding deficiencies now ?
The UK had the chance to do big things post Brexit including a tariff free trade deal with the US and instead the UK govt. tied itself to the EU which isn't what Brexit voters voted for. The UK govt. is to blame for the UK's woes and that includes Theresa May and Boris Johnson who both sold out the Brexit voters.
 

KMFJD

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it's about time those farmers start repaying some of those subsidies that they have been given for decades, they are happy when getting stuff from the government but oh lord when they are asked to pay some back they have a shitfit

  • The average farmer in the UK made £28,300 in subsidies last year, while making only £2,100 from agriculture. 1
  • Across all farm types in England, the average Farm Business Income (FBI) increased by 12% between 2021/22 and 2022/23, reaching £96,100 per farm. The average net payment received was approximately £18,300, accounting for around 40% of the Farm Business Income. 23
  • In 2022, the total direct payments to farmers in the UK decreased by £83 million (-3.0%) from 2021, to £3,213 million. The Basic Payment Scheme (BPS) payments decreased by £222 million (-7.9%). 4
  • Between 2014/15 and 2016/17, direct payments (under pillar one) made up an average of 9% of farm revenue or 61% of farm profits in England, although this figure is much higher for some sub-sectors, such as upland farms grazing livestock. 5
  • A report from the UK's Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (DEFRA) estimated that 55% of the average farmer's income in the UK came from these EU subsidies. 6

In summary, the available data indicates that the average farmer in the UK receives a significant amount of their income from government subsidies, often in the range of £18,000 to £28,000 per year, which can account for a large proportion of their total farm income.

  1. Do farmers make more from subsidies than agriculture? — Full Fact fullfact.org
  2. Agricultural facts: Summary - GOV.UK www.gov.uk
  3. Farm Business Income by type of farm in England 2023/24 www.gov.uk
  4. Chapter 10: Public payments - GOV.UK www.gov.uk
  5. Agriculture subsidies after Brexit | Institute for Government www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk
  6. Farming subsidies in the UK - Economics Help www.economicshelp.org
 

mikeymikec

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The UK had the chance to do big things post Brexit including a tariff free trade deal with the US and instead the UK govt. tied itself to the EU which isn't what Brexit voters voted for. The UK govt. is to blame for the UK's woes and that includes Theresa May and Boris Johnson who both sold out the Brexit voters.

Brexit voters didn't vote for any strategy except to exit the EU. They got what they voted for. I assume that your conclusion about them being "sold out" has about as much basis as your other assertions so far.

Brexit was simply a masterclass in putting ourselves in the worst position to make trade deals. It doesn't take a great intellect that burning one's bridges before making new ones leaves one in a position of having to accept what little possibilities remain, including lowering our food standards enough to allow the importing of US food while locking ourselves further out of our primary market being the EU.
 

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Brexit voters didn't vote for any strategy except to exit the EU. They got what they voted for. I assume that your conclusion about them being "sold out" has about as much basis as your other assertions so far.

Brexit was simply a masterclass in putting ourselves in the worst position to make trade deals. It doesn't take a great intellect that burning one's bridges before making new ones leaves one in a position of having to accept what little possibilities remain, including lowering our food standards enough to allow the importing of US food while locking ourselves further out of our primary market being the EU.
Trump offered the UK a tariff free trade deal and instead of taking the deal Boris kissed up to his puppet masters in Berlin and Brussels foregoing the trade deal with the US. The UK also had a chance to make a banger of a trade deal with China and Boris choked on that one also. The UK governments chose to go down with the EU ship.
 

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Trump offered the UK a tariff free trade deal and instead of taking the deal Boris kissed up to his puppet masters in Berlin and Brussels foregoing the trade deal with the US. The UK also had a chance to make a banger of a trade deal with China and Boris choked on that one also. The UK governments chose to go down with the EU ship.
 

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So what do you think will happen to those farmers if Labour gets it way with the inheritance tax?

What, the 500 estates a year that will be impacted? Most of which will be the Clarksons and Dysons who have used farms as an inheritance tax dodge? Probably not a fat lot. Their kids will pay the tax owed over the 10 years allowed. It might benefit the actual farmers a bit as the cost of land comes down as it won't be as attractive to wealthy tax dodgers.

For any actual farmers who are impacted they have 18 months to mitigate via trusts and other such ways of mitigation.
 
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mikeymikec

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Trump offered the UK a tariff free trade deal and instead of taking the deal Boris kissed up to his puppet masters in Berlin and Brussels foregoing the trade deal with the US. The UK also had a chance to make a banger of a trade deal with China and Boris choked on that one also. The UK governments chose to go down with the EU ship.
You really just suggested that one of the chief architects of the Leave/Brexit campaign is a puppet of the EU!

Honestly dude, take a moment to confirm that making a fool of yourself on a regular basis is something you really want to do with your life.
 

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You really just suggested that one of the chief architects of the Leave/Brexit campaign is a puppet of the EU!

Honestly dude, take a moment to confirm that making a fool of yourself on a regular basis is something you really want to do with your life.
Boris was and is a failure. He pissed off Trump's trade offer in order to suck up to Berlin and Brussels while continuing unmitigated illegal immigration policies. He's no better than Theresa May and she was horrible. Boris had the chance to make two giant trade deals for the UK and he did nothing.
 

mikeymikec

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Boris was and is a failure. He pissed off Trump's trade offer in order to suck up to Berlin and Brussels while continuing unmitigated illegal immigration policies. He's no better than Theresa May and she was horrible. Boris had the chance to make two giant trade deals for the UK and he did nothing.

Yawn <adds you to my ignore list>.
 

AG907

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It's kind of funny watching the poster who couldn't figure out the language of Wales claim to know anything about why UK voters voted the way the did.
Even better are the Brits that don't have a problem with their fellow countrymen being put in prison for what they post on social media while the UK courts allow pedophiles to walk free.
 

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Even better are the Brits that don't have a problem with their fellow countrymen being put in prison for what they post on social media while the UK courts allow pedophiles to walk free.
Don't worry your pretty little head about that. The US is soon going to have a pedophile for AG. Fun times!
 
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