Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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RnR_au

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Russia has a population of more than 100m vs Ukraine and is making bank atm selling its oil & gas to China.
Total population is meaningless. The available manpower for its military and how effective it can use them is what matters. Russians are dying at 6:1 ratio vs Ukrainian defenders and is probably getting worse given the lack of IFV and APC for Russia. Throwing 30-40k men away per month for a few square miles is a wasteful and meaningless strategy. Using golf carts in assaults is not something a country 'making bank' would do. Inviting North Korean soldiers to help out is not something a country with plenty of spare bodies would do.

Russia is desperate and its economy is overheating due to a lack of workers. If everything was going so well for Russia, why is their bank rate sitting at 21%?
The best Ukraine can hope for is that the EU takes the place of the US and gives them money and arms and knowing how the EU rolls I don't see that happening.
The deals have already been made. Russian frozen assets are being used.

Russia has already lost. Its just a matter of time before the penny drops.

Maybe Trump will somehow allow them to withdraw from Ukraine without the loss of face.
 

AG907

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Total population is meaningless. The available manpower for its military and how effective it can use them is what matters. Russians are dying at 6:1 ratio vs Ukrainian defenders and is probably getting worse given the lack of IFV and APC for Russia. Throwing 30-40k men away per month for a few square miles is a wasteful and meaningless strategy. Using golf carts in assaults is not something a country 'making bank' would do. Inviting North Korean soldiers to help out is not something a country with plenty of spare bodies would do.

Russia is desperate and its economy is overheating due to a lack of workers. If everything was going so well for Russia, why is their bank rate sitting at 21%?
The deals have already been made. Russian frozen assets are being used.

Russia has already lost. Its just a matter of time before the penny drops.

Maybe Trump will somehow allow them to withdraw from Ukraine without the loss of face.
I'm not buying the 6 -1 ratio when the Ukraine govt. is press ganging old men into the military.
 

RnR_au

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I haven't looked into Zelenskyy's peace plan. Sounds smart to be honest.


It would make Ukraine into a March of Europe, like Finland is now I guess. Suboptimal solution (I mean Russia could just fark off back home), but perhaps its the only solution that could be pragmatically doable.

(I only know about Marches because of Europa Universalis IV - about the only game that has taught me more history than school ever did )
 

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zinfamous

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Ukraine is nothing without foreign aid. Russia has a population of more than 100m vs Ukraine and is making bank atm selling its oil & gas to China. The best Ukraine can hope for is that the EU takes the place of the US and gives them money and arms and knowing how the EU rolls I don't see that happening. The majority of the EU countries don't even pay their fare share to NATO let alone give up money to a non EU country ... unless its about climate change.

China/India are buying Russian oil at a massive discount, so no, Russia is not making bank. They are losing real value for every liter they sell to their fascist allies.

No, NATO members are not lacking in their contributions. They have been meeting their obligations, and more, for about 6 years now. What's with the old news and dead talking points you are wallowing in? Do you even read?
 

RnR_au

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Do you even know why Russia invaded Ukraine while Obama was President and again when Biden was President?
Yeah... and it has nothing to do with Obama or Biden and everything to do with domestic politics....



Putin doesn't like it when his approval rating sags and dips into the low 60's. I mean it could give people thoughts and maybe they start noticing just how much money Putin and his friends are stealing. Far better to put on a show and bring out Strongman Putin and his Invincible Army.
 

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Yeah... and it has nothing to do with Obama or Biden and everything to do with domestic politics....

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Putin doesn't like it when his approval rating sags and dips into the low 60's. I mean it could give people thoughts and maybe they start noticing just how much money Putin and his friends are stealing.
Time to clue you in. Putin warned the US several times not to attempt to bring Ukraine into NATO. So what did the US do? They supported a coup of a democratically elected govt. in Ukraine and afterwards built military bases inside Ukraine along with working with the Ukrainians on chemical weapons. Now imagine if Russia did the same with Canada as to what the US did with Ukraine.
 

RnR_au

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Time to clue you in. Putin warned the US several times not to attempt to bring Ukraine into NATO. So what did the US do? They supported a coup of a democratically elected govt. in Ukraine and afterwards built military bases inside Ukraine along with working with the Ukrainians on chemical weapons. Now imagine if Russia did the same with Canada as to what the US did with Ukraine.
Dude... seriously. Did you do your own research? And this is the best material you could come up with? Not even Newsweek would pay you for this substandard stuff.
 
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AG907

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Dude... seriously. Did you do your own research? And this is the best material you could come up with? Not even Newsweek would pay you for this substandard stuff.
Let's do this shall we.

If Nuland had a brain she would have used a throwaway phone for this convo.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957


This article doesn't account for the US / NATO military training base built outside of Lviv in 2014.

 

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Let's do this shall we.

If Nuland had a brain she would have used a throwaway phone for this convo.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957


This article doesn't account for the US / NATO military training base built outside of Lviv in 2014.

Say something negative about:

Putin, XI, and Kim Jong Un
 

AG907

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Say something negative about:

Putin, XI, and Kim Jong Un
Putin is a dictator no doubt as are the other two. Zelensky isn't much better.

 

zinfamous

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Time to clue you in. Putin warned the US several times not to attempt to bring Ukraine into NATO. So what did the US do? They supported a coup of a democratically elected govt. in Ukraine and afterwards built military bases inside Ukraine along with working with the Ukrainians on chemical weapons. Now imagine if Russia did the same with Canada as to what the US did with Ukraine.

oh, this simp opinion from yet another simp clone.

No one believes these plain lies, you fucking idiot.

If Putin was concerned about NATO, then why did he do the exact thing that expanded NATO's power and influence?
 
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AG907

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oh, this simp opinion from yet another simp clone.

No one believes these plain lies, you fucking idiot.

If Putin was concerned about NATO, then why did he do the exact thing that expanded NATO's power and influence?
You mean when Sweden and Finland joined? Chances are both of those countries will turn out like most EU countries as in worthless when it comes to contributing to anyone's defense including their own.

 

zinfamous

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[DHT]Osiris

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I'm not buying the 6 -1 ratio when the Ukraine govt. is press ganging old men into the military.
No, it is literally that bad.

Ukraine's manpower issues have forced them to get a bit drastic with their recruitment drives, because you can still lose a 6:1 ratio if the other guy brings 7.

But seriously, Russia is just slow walking guys with shovels and half century old rifles into death fields just to draw fire so they know where to mark artillery.
 
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