Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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[DHT]Osiris

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The US has asked the Euros to put 2% of their GDP towards their defense for years now. Other than the Brits the western Euros were zero help in WW2 and I doubt that has changed much over the years if we ever had to go head to head vs the Russians. Western Euros just don't have the fight in them anymore and haven't for years now.
Yeah, that's their defense, not NATO. NATO isn't taking money from anyone, and nobody is spending into NATO. You're claiming that member states aren't 'paying into NATO' is disingenuous and a Russian talking point. If you want to criticize sovereign nations for not spending enough on their own defense, sure I guess, go ahead, but it's a dumbshit thing to criticize.
 

AG907

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Yeah, that's their defense, not NATO. NATO isn't taking money from anyone, and nobody is spending into NATO. You're claiming that member states aren't 'paying into NATO' is disingenuous and a Russian talking point. If you want to criticize sovereign nations for not spending enough on their own defense, sure I guess, go ahead, but it's a dumbshit thing to criticize.
Other than France and the UK, western europe has no real military force. That's why I had to lmao when those commies in Brussels were talking about a European defense force.
 
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Russia would go through western europe like a hot knife through warm butter. The only thing that would slow them down are the Poles. The Poles are a people to be reckoned with ... western europeans not so much.
This right here is why it's obvious who and what you are.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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Other than France and the UK, western europe has no real military force. That's why I had to lmao when those commies in Brussels were talking about a European defense force.
1) Ukraine would disagree with you
2) that's like saying 'south carolina has no real military force'. Those countries are small, and doing what they can.
 

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1) Ukraine would disagree with you
2) that's like saying 'south carolina has no real military force'. Those countries are small, and doing what they can.
The Ukrainians are fighters no doubt. It's a slavic thing imo. The problem with the Ukrainians is that they have never been organized. That cost them vs the Poles, Russians, Austrians, etc ...
 

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This right here is why it's obvious who and what you are.
I'm pro USA believe it or not but I'm not pro neocon. As far as western Europe goes ... other than the Brits I don't see a people worth risking American lives for when they refuse to build up their own military.
 

HomerJS

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I'm pro USA believe it or not but I'm not pro neocon. As far as western Europe goes ... other than the Brits I don't see a people worth risking American lives for when they refuse to build up their own military.
Did you study WW2 in high school? Most of the answers when it comes to Ukraine can be found there.
 
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repoman0

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Why of course I must be a Russian paid troll for the crime of calling out facts. Nobody is allowed to have a different opinion in the echo chamber are they.
Nothing to do with your opinions, dumb bot, and everything to do with the fact that you’ve been posting here for ten hours straight, overnight in the US.
 

AG907

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Did you study WW2 in high school? Most of the answers when it comes to Ukraine can be found there.
It precedes WW2 by centuries.Russian monarchs treated Ukrainians like crap.Ukraines biggest mistake was when the Cossacks cut a deal with the Russians in order to defeat the Poles. The Russians only made things worse including making a law that made speaking and writing in Ukrainian illegal. The Ukrainians were getting screwed in both directions .. the Poles on one side and the Russians on the other.
 

K1052

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Why did Russia invade Ukraine in 2014

Putin's stooge Yanukovych canned the EU association agreement that the population wanted and got himself overthrown.

and this most recent invasion?

FSB and GRU lied to Putin that a takeover of Ukraine would be a piece of cake. They told him what he wanted to hear because that's what happens in dictatorships.
 

kage69

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I'm pro USA believe it or not but I'm not pro neocon. As far as western Europe goes ... other than the Brits I don't see a people worth risking American lives for when they refuse to build up their own military.


Sure, sure.

Have you looked at the British Navy lately? Neocons? We're dealing with magats here kid, Trumpists. Probably time to ask your supervisor for a current talking point sheet, yours sounds dated.

Funny how you leave Poland out of that worldview, given their history fighting fascism and current military power. Shocking even, heh. You don't even mention France, our oldest ally, one that has already proven itself worth risking American lives.

That's great you're "pro USA." Let us know when you are pro freedom, anti genocide. If you want to convince people start that attempt by saying you support Ukrainian sovereignty. Ukraine is a country, right? Entitled to self-determination, wouldn't you say?
 
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misuspita

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What bs? Are you denying the fact the US wasn't involved in the Maidan revolution which lead to Russia's invasion in 2014 or you denying the fact the US built military training base inside Ukraine after the fact.
Look, agent 907... I'm here to read about news of the conflict and watch pretty pictures or even films with russians getting killed, torn to pieces, dismembered, disemboweled and generally going to the Kaboom Olympics. Not talking with paid agents so you're not gonna get an answer from me, my time is to precious to be spent with you. So, welcome to my block list
 
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AG907

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Putin says: Jump.
Trump asks: How high?

MAGA news sphere has been fear mongering for the past 48 hours. Non stop.
Usual figures are losing their minds in panic. Trump is determined to stop the United States from protecting Europe. They call that "peace" and they demand it.

Donald Trump Jr accuses Joe Biden of trying to start World War Three before father takes office

If Europe can't protect themselves because they choose not to build up their military that's on them. Let the Europeans fight their own wars. I'm old enough to remember when Germany had no problem allowing Poland to join NATO so that the do nothing Germans had a buffer between them and Russia. Afterwards the Germans cried and stomped their feet when the US pushed to allow the Baltic countries to join NATO.
 

fskimospy

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If Europe can't protect themselves because they choose not to build up their military that's on them. Let the Europeans fight their own wars. I'm old enough to remember when Germany had no problem allowing Poland to join NATO so that the do nothing Germans had a buffer between them and Russia. Afterwards the Germans cried and stomped their feet when the US pushed to allow the Baltic countries to join NATO.
Continued stability of Europe is in America's interest. We are not fighting Russia currently, Ukraine is. US military aid is mostly castoffs we weren't going to use anyway and look at the tremendous return on investment. We could pay to dispose of it or watch it trash Russia's military and teach them a lesson about future aggression, the choice is pretty easy.
 

Brovane

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If Europe can't protect themselves because they choose not to build up their military that's on them. Let the Europeans fight their own wars. I'm old enough to remember when Germany had no problem allowing Poland to join NATO so that the do nothing Germans had a buffer between them and Russia. Afterwards the Germans cried and stomped their feet when the US pushed to allow the Baltic countries to join NATO.
"We are not isolationist's why? Because the enemy is not an isolationist."



 
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Jaskalas

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Let the Europeans fight their own wars.
100 years ago that was our policy.
Resulted in WW1 and WW2.

You want more of that instability?
Because America brought general peace and stability afterwards.
The world, if unprotected, will have the big fish eating the little fish.
Then they will all rush for nuclear weapons, as they must protect themselves.

That's the world you want, absent American stability?
 
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compcons

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I think either the YoungGrassHopper account handler got fired and replaced, or they logged into the AG account on accident. Or possible, there is an algorithm that says once people stop replying to posts, create a new account and get it going again. The YGH account had fallen off significantly lately. Time to do the same for this one.

Check post history to validate for yourself. It is not real. You don't need to refute anything. Make it go away.
 

fskimospy

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I think either the YoungGrassHopper account handler got fired and replaced, or they logged into the AG account on accident. Or possible, there is an algorithm that says once people stop replying to posts, create a new account and get it going again. The YGH account had fallen off significantly lately. Time to do the same for this one.

Check post history to validate for yourself. It is not real. You don't need to refute anything. Make it go away.
Good point. I think a fun way to screen them is to ask them to say something bad about Putin.

@Young Grasshopper has refused to ever say a single bad word about one of the worst dictators on the planet, all while saying he wants nothing more than peace.

They are lying shitbags.
 
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