I really don't think Turin-D is a "small part" but you be you.They're using it for one small part without all the assorted IP a proper SoC would need
The whole point of tiling is putting only the necessary bits onto the bleeding edge. Hope that helps!AFAIK there isn't even an entirely N3 SoC on the roadmap through 2025
And that's why AMD will never make a smartphone SoC. I don't know what your point is. Tiling won't make it cheaper than Qualcomm or MediaTek. Nor will it have better time to market. So they won't bother.The whole point of tiling is putting only the necessary bits onto the bleeding edge. Hope that helps!
And that's why AMD will never make a smartphone SoC. I don't know what your point is. Tiling won't make it cheaper than Qualcomm or MediaTek. Nor will it have better time to market. So they won't bother.
If such a plan exists it is focused where they have a chance. Smartphone is a lost battle with 3 companies who deliver at a pace AMD has never considered.I dunno, fears that Intel imploding would lead to the end of x86?
Because they don't have the modem IP. Next.And that's why AMD will never make a smartphone SoC
AMD has Chinese connections. They can have one up and ready if AMD will just pay themBecause they don't have the modem IP. Next.
Or do what Google and Apple do: buy a modem and put it in the package.AMD has Chinese connections. They can have one up and ready if AMD will just pay them
And AMD will have to pay a bit over what they pay for the IP, for licensing the patents that the Chinese stole
That's not gonna work for a merchant Si vendor.Or do what Google and Apple do: buy a modem and put it in the package.
They're using it for one small part without all the assorted IP a proper SoC would need. AFAIK there isn't even an entirely N3 SoC on the roadmap through 2025. Far behind MediaTek and Qualcomm.
Shipping a year later? Plus still not a SoC despite the tile's name.There is also Strix Halo on N3e, and that is a more complete SoC than Turin Dense CCD.
That could be acquired (bad idea IMO but...)Because they don't have the modem IP. Next
There is also Strix Halo on N3e
They are using it for the biggest chiplet they will be producing for any CPU this generation, and for 16 core Zen 5C CCDs.They're using it for one small part without all the assorted IP a proper SoC would need. AFAIK there isn't even an entirely N3 SoC on the roadmap through 2025. Far behind MediaTek and Qualcomm.
Neither of those are a highly integrated SoC like smartphones. It's all disaggregated, with different tape outs and timelines.They are using it for the biggest chiplet they will be producing for any CPU this generation, and for 16 core Zen 5C CCDs.
Yeah with more protracted and prolonged validation cycles since it actually has to work under duress.Neither of those are a highly integrated SoC like smartphones. It's all disaggregated, with different tape outs and timelines.
?They don't even have half the IP. Halo is their "closest" yet it has N4P CCDs and RDNA3.5 not 4 and it'll still be ~6 months after Granite Ridge and Strix Point.
I'm also curious. Last time I heard that AMD was evaluating if StrixHalo could be on N3 or not. Yet no further informations from old sources.halo n3e??? isn't it x16 full zen5 N4?
It's either N3 or N3P moving forward. N3P is not yet released. It will show up at the end of 2024 or early 2025. The other option would be N3X but that's high end silicon as well. N3P is the best value. N3 according to Apple sucks other than power efficiency.Yeah with more protracted and prolonged validation cycles since it actually has to work under duress.
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What the hell is this schizophrenia? They don't touch N3e outside of Turin-D because it's hellishly expensive.
Only a problem for penny pinchers who don't want to actually sell anything at volume. Qualcomm, MediaTek, Apple and even Intel are all making N3 designs shipping in cheaper devices than Strix Point. M4 is 160mm2 of N3E and is shipping in far cheaper devices than HX370.They don't touch N3e outside of Turin-D because it's hellishly expensive
I think the rumor is baseless, but you aren't searching deep enough. The WCCFTech article links to a Yahoo Finance article. And a simple search brings this:I can't even find the original source "smartphone magazine". The idea that AMD is moving into the smartphone market because Qualcomm stepped into the PC market is ridiculous. This looks like a baseless rumor.
Absolutely. AMD and Intel only exists because of the artificially created x86 bubble. If the way they execute now were in the ARM space they would have got bankrupt in 5 years after iPhone came into the scene, so about 2014.If such a plan exists it is focused where they have a chance. Smartphone is a lost battle with 3 companies who deliver at a pace AMD has never considered.
Only exists takes it too far. But it has become increasingly clear that x86 is a ghetto. It has only two slumlords; pick your favorite. Neither are willing (or are perhaps unable) to make the necessary investments.Absolutely. AMD and Intel only exists because of the artificially created x86 bubble. If the way they execute now were in the ARM space they would have got bankrupt in 5 years after iPhone came into the scene, so about 2014.
AMD is doing well in one market - servers. Their cadence there is fine and they are occasionally even leading the pack in getting new nodes shipping (partially, in select SKUs). Granite Ridge isn't great, even the X3D part is a mere ~8% generational improvement for its target application. It only looks good due to Intel making its new parts worse.Oh look dumb boring people..... Sigh
Kinda funny how all the arm server designs look far more like x86 SOCs designs but way worse......
Yes those stupid x86 people would die, blah blah blah..... So boring and predictable....
That's video game computer performance delta, not CPU performance delta.even the X3D part is a mere ~8% generational improvement for its target application.