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In2Photos

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Wasn't there a lot of discussion when the 9950/9900 CPUs were released about using a fresh Windows build due to the scheduler not being set up during installation on other CPUs?
 

Hail The Brain Slug

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Wasn't there a lot of discussion when the 9950/9900 CPUs were released about using a fresh Windows build due to the scheduler not being set up during installation on other CPUs?
Yeah, even uninstalling and clean installing the chipset drivers may not help. IIRC the only way to guarantee it works correctly is a clean install with the target CPU present and installing the correct chipset drivers.
 
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mmaenpaa

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Has anyone here been able to go from AM4 to AM5 without having to reinstall Windows 10? I am wondering what the experience was like. I would prefer to stay on Windows 10 and not have to reinstall.
I just did a upgrade (for customer) from Intel i7-4770K to 9800X3D 😁

We chose upgrade as customer had some old Adobe versions which are hard (or impossible) to install to new W11 installations. I cloned old SSD to new NVME. After that it required mbr2gpt tool as old installation was not UEFI. When new machine booted to desktop I uninstalled all Intel drivers/tools and some other unnecessary stuff. Update AMD drivers & other updates. After a while upgrade to Windows 11 Pro.

Now new machine is in use (photographer), maybe a bit faster than the old one 😅

Upgrade history on customer PC:

Intel i7-4770K: W8 --> W8.1 --> W10
Ryzen 9800X3D: W10 --> W11

In my experience if PC has W10 as OS, hardware can be upgraded/swapped almost to anything. That said clean install is always the surest way to get rid of unnecessary old stuff.
 

lightmanek

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Wasn't there a lot of discussion when the 9950/9900 CPUs were released about using a fresh Windows build due to the scheduler not being set up during installation on other CPUs?

That is more relevant to gaming I think as it mainly relates to core parking, but my system parks cores correctly. I will one day find time to do full reinstall, but it takes more than a day for me to install all the crap I run on my PC, so not really feeling ecstatic to do it any time soon
 
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mmaenpaa

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Why 9800X3D in this case?
Frankly in this case I only relied on pugetbench review. It was faster than 9950X (in Lightroom) and I did not want 285K (possible) problems with hybrid approach. Customer main (>90%) use is Lightroom classic and old one at that (Lightroom 5.x). Easier with equally strong cores and extra cache never hurts in anything I believe 😁

 

Hail The Brain Slug

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I just popped in my 9800X3D, flashback updated to the latest bios with 1.2.0.2a and I noticed that curve shaper is absent. Are they just taking longer to roll this out, like when curve optimizer first was released with Zen 3? We had to wait a while after release before it was added through agesa updates.
 

DaaQ

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If I squint hard enough, I could just make out that it's a 9800X3D. Got too excited when you were taking the picture?
First was too large to add, second blurred out the serial and cropped.
 

Seba

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Easier with equally strong cores and extra cache never hurts in anything I believe
Of course extra cache does not hurt, but 9700X has comparable results for quite less money. 7700X is even cheaper than that and could have been an option, too.

In games the difference between 9800X3D and 9700X is much greater and that justifies the price difference. Here, not so much.
 

mmaenpaa

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Of course extra cache does not hurt, but 9700X has comparable results for quite less money. 7700X is even cheaper than that and could have been an option, too.

In games the difference between 9800X3D and 9700X is much greater and that justifies the price difference. Here, not so much.
I look at it this way:

9800X3D is about 10% faster in Lightroom classic benchmark (compared to 9700X).

Using 9800X3D instead of 9700X the *total cost* of PC is about 10% more expensive.

So it evens out 😁
 

Seba

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As long as you did not cut corners elsewhere just to fit the extra cost of 9800X3D (CPU cooler, storage etc.).
 
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I think generally it's unfortunate that people don't appreciate large caches and will go with cheaper options to save money but personally, I'm glad (in an evil sort of way). Prices don't go through the roof when everyone doesn't demand the absolute best.
 
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Using 9800X3D instead of 9700X the *total cost* of PC is about 10% more expensive.
I would want my users to appreciate that I built the PC for them that serves them so well. I've heard only good things from the people who got Ryzen laptops (even Zen 2 ones) upon my recommendation. It makes you feel good inside and you know you made the world just a little bit better through a deliberate decision.
 

Sonikku

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My order from Amazon isn't slated to ship until just before Christmas. XD I guess it's a silver lining though as it gives me more time to find a decent deal on a motherboard and ram. Might get a new nvme drive too if I'm looking at needing to install Windows 11 on a fresh system.
 

Markfw

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My order from Amazon isn't slated to ship until just before Christmas. XD I guess it's a silver lining though as it gives me more time to find a decent deal on a motherboard and ram. Might get a new nvme drive too if I'm looking at needing to install Windows 11 on a fresh system.
I saw a 2 TB NVME for like $113 (crucial) at newegg
 
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DaaQ

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I saw a 2 TB NVME for like $113 (crucial) at newegg
I am going to grab a 4TB, Crucial has the highest "claimed" speeds, 14k. But some of the others like Team Group and Kingston, can be quite alot cheaper.
Do PCIE4.0 drives need more than the mobo cover? With airflow of course.
 

Markfw

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I am going to grab a 4TB, Crucial has the highest "claimed" speeds, 14k. But some of the others like Team Group and Kingston, can be quite alot cheaper.
Do PCIE4.0 drives need more than the mobo cover? With airflow of course.
I don't think so.
 
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