The People Have Spoken

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trenchfoot

Lifer
Aug 5, 2000
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That’s a weird thing to be upset about. ☝️

He's still in "defend the indefensible" mode. A form of PTSD that Trump's followers get after 8 years of defending Trump's inexcusable criminal behavior.

And I'm starting to like the guy so I'm sure I'm undeservedly getting a case of Stockholm Syndrome from having to defend Greenie's weird behavior all the time.
 

JujuFish

Lifer
Feb 3, 2005
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That's it? That's all you've got? You're going to beat that dead horse till you've flayed the hide off of it, and it still isn't going to get up and run. Just fyi, the majority of the nation either thinks that lawsuit was bullshit, or that a sexual assaulter is a better choice to run the nation than a democrat. Pick the one that helps you sleep at night.
Everyone else is getting on you for the absurdity in your post.

I'm just here to point out that your statement about the majority of the country is objectively incorrect. Even if you only count the people who only cast votes and not the number of registered voters nor the number of eligible voters, his count is still under 50%.

And considering we just went through the highest inflation since the 70s, the Democrats had a minority woman for a candidate who didn't go through the primary process, and the amount of misinformation and ignorance out there, that should scream to you how bad a candidate Trump was. A good candidate and the Republicans might have had a Reagan-level election under these circumstances.

Then they might have had an actual mandate from the American people. But no one has a mandate with <50% of the votes.
 

Moonbeam

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No, actually there is a third option and one that explains most of your posts; they have been brainwashed by right wing media, social media, or have simply not been paying attention and have no idea what’s fact and what isn’t.
I think your declaration here makes eminent sense. Look at what he said:



Just fyi, the majority of the nation either thinks that lawsuit was bullshit, or that a sexual assaulter is a better choice to run the nation than a democrat. Pick the one that helps you sleep at night.
In order for those two choices to be offered up as alternative choices to offer there needs to be a sense that the ideas expressed are the factually valid alternatives. He is saying that he rejects the idea he voted for a rapist because he voted for a person to was witch hunted. He is hiding the fact that he voted for a sexual assaulter who was convicted of that but that doesn’t make Trump a real rapist because the trial was politically motivated by people only to disqualify him as electable and his actual politics being great, makes that unfair.

There is no sense that even if the trial was politically motivated and brought by political enemies, does nothing to change the objective verdict rendered. Trump violently assaulted a woman and his political views are more important to them than punishing the crimes of rapists.

So how can a person wind up so morally twisted as to put a politician above his crimes?

It’s in my opinion the usual reasons. Children raised to conform to the cultural madness of their surroundings by threat of being outcast, which no child can survive, choose to capitulate at a tremendous psychological price. They have to take up the burden of guilt and shame that authoritarianism always brings, that leaving the herd mentality is a mortal sin, something that even thinking about will bring back the fear of that early terror.

Authoritarian culture creates perverse pleasure. A person robbed of the opportunity to experience the universe guilt free and with a real sense of self will find alternative sources of pleasures and fantasized imaginings like the feelings of entitlement to sex on demand.

Authoritarianism brings many and varied forms of predators and psychological manipulators that insure the the herd stays loyal so it can be milked and here too will be where the best money and debauchery exists.

Just keep the herd in a constant state of agitation and tell them how to think. Of course a rapist is better than a democrat. Liberals just didn’t swallow authoritarianism hook line and sinker. They went off the reservation and refused to ‘properly’ redirect their hatred at the rule breakers. They wondered away into dam nation that will happen to those who resist not seeing in themselves those same feelings all victims of the same childhood disease.

Those who face psychological intimidation have two choices, fight or acquiesce but it’s just opposite sides of the same disease, mental states that a few children who escaped the the normative missed out on. Here and there too some will reintegrate and escape the invisible prison most of us live in.

How do those who are blind regain sight that was taken. Who would ask a question without some sort of haunting wondering about one’s condition? Anybody haunted?
 

Moonbeam

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He's still in "defend the indefensible" mode. A form of PTSD that Trump's followers get after 8 years of defending Trump's inexcusable criminal behavior.

And I'm starting to like the guy so I'm sure I'm undeservedly getting a case of Stockholm Syndrome from having to defend Greenie's weird behavior all the time.
You make me smile with delight.

Just a thought, since you are so undeserving, doesn’t everywhere you look, 👀 look to be up?
 

Moonbeam

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Nov 24, 1999
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Everyone else is getting on you for the absurdity in your post.

I'm just here to point out that your statement about the majority of the country is objectively incorrect. Even if you only count the people who only cast votes and not the number of registered voters nor the number of eligible voters, his count is still under 50%.

And considering we just went through the highest inflation since the 70s, the Democrats had a minority woman for a candidate who didn't go through the primary process, and the amount of misinformation and ignorance out there, that should scream to you how bad a candidate Trump was. A good candidate and the Republicans might have had a Reagan-level election under these circumstances.

Then they might have had an actual mandate from the American people. But no one has a mandate with <50% of the votes.
Personally I believe that the kind of gloating satisfaction expressed in our side won becoming most people see truth we do arises out of a desire to get even for being put down as worthless, or as liberals are wont to describe conservative, deplorables.

Stockholm Syndrome sufferers have their anger deeply suppressed and that suppression creates a feeling of injustice instead of outward rage. Politeness is very important. Show no signs of resentment like the Lucifer did.

Such folk may even feel bad about gloating and so they bravely maintain a kind of aloof independence north of just stating the facts. God knows what would happen if the slightest beloved patriot and their armor should appear. their whole house of cards could come tumbling down and the maws of hell open wide. Ah me, I guess you could ask someone else beside God. Been there and done that.

Anyway, I think that Greenman is a lot angrier than he knows. Repression creates the moth that is driven to burn its wings circling the flame.
 

Greenman

Lifer
Oct 15, 1999
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I think your declaration here makes eminent sense. Look at what he said:




In order for those two choices to be offered up as alternative choices to offer there needs to be a sense that the ideas expressed are the factually valid alternatives. He is saying that he rejects the idea he voted for a rapist because he voted for a person to was witch hunted. He is hiding the fact that he voted for a sexual assaulter who was convicted of that but that doesn’t make Trump a real rapist because the trial was politically motivated by people only to disqualify him as electable and his actual politics being great, makes that unfair.

There is no sense that even if the trial was politically motivated and brought by political enemies, does nothing to change the objective verdict rendered. Trump violently assaulted a woman and his political views are more important to them than punishing the crimes of rapists.

So how can a person wind up so morally twisted as to put a politician above his crimes?

It’s in my opinion the usual reasons. Children raised to conform to the cultural madness of their surroundings by threat of being outcast, which no child can survive, choose to capitulate at a tremendous psychological price. They have to take up the burden of guilt and shame that authoritarianism always brings, that leaving the herd mentality is a mortal sin, something that even thinking about will bring back the fear of that early terror.

Authoritarian culture creates perverse pleasure. A person robbed of the opportunity to experience the universe guilt free and with a real sense of self will find alternative sources of pleasures and fantasized imaginings like the feelings of entitlement to sex on demand.

Authoritarianism brings many and varied forms of predators and psychological manipulators that insure the the herd stays loyal so it can be milked and here too will be where the best money and debauchery exists.

Just keep the herd in a constant state of agitation and tell them how to think. Of course a rapist is better than a democrat. Liberals just didn’t swallow authoritarianism hook line and sinker. They went off the reservation and refused to ‘properly’ redirect their hatred at the rule breakers. They wondered away into dam nation that will happen to those who resist not seeing in themselves those same feelings all victims of the same childhood disease.

Those who face psychological intimidation have two choices, fight or acquiesce but it’s just opposite sides of the same disease, mental states that a few children who escaped the the normative missed out on. Here and there too some will reintegrate and escape the invisible prison most of us live in.

How do those who are blind regain sight that was taken. Who would ask a question without some sort of haunting wondering about one’s condition? Anybody haunted?
Had it been a criminal trial you'd have a point, it wasn't.
 

trenchfoot

Lifer
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You make me smile with delight.

Just a thought, since you are so undeserving, doesn’t everywhere you look, 👀 look to be up?

Looking upward is all that I desire as I prepare myself for my ultimate departure and upon bidding my final fond adieu, I look upward and forward to the anticipation of satisfying my insatiable curiosity about the hereafter that I've been told so often about. 'Til that moment arrives, looking down is a waste of ever more precious time when it seems to me that looking up in it's various iterations is time well spent.
 
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trenchfoot

Lifer
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Yeah, but there hasn't been a criminal trial with forensic evidence and video footage with Trump saying to the camera that he is doing the exact crime which he is guilty of, so can we really know the truth or form an opinion?

Hmmm, I wonder what happens to Trump if still more women accuse him of abusing them when he's sitting behind his impeachable-proof desk with the blessings of the immunity clause the crooks on the Supreme Court gave him, could Trump arrest those women as a threat to our (his) national (personal) security?

And why isn't Biden taking advantage of the same immunities that Trump was given? Biden could really make things happen that would, among other things, possibly shield the very people Trump is going to go after the second he finishes his hoax blah-blah-blah whatevers oath of office.

And while I'm at it, I wonder if Trump's family members will again become gov't employees seeking to leverage their daddy's position for fun and profit just like they did in their daddy's previous stint?
 

Moonbeam

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Had it been a criminal trial you'd have a point, it wasn't.
What you are saying is that if an act of rape is brought to the attention of the authorities after the statue of limitations expire leaving only civil charges available, a conviction on those civil charges based on a jury finding they did occur, means that at the time the rape was criminally chargeable you get to consider him not guilty of being a criminal them. Anybody not profoundly interested in denial they voted for a criminal rapist on that basis would see the deceptive self denial of moral judgment required to maintain face.

Moral certainty at such a fanatical level implies a profound fear of being shamed. Nobody feels such a fear who has not been so shammed in the past and requited to repress any such conscious awareness.

Listen carefully to what I am about to say. It's a description of the psychological facts that create the prison you and most of us are in, without which knowledge it would never enter you are your in fact in a prison much less that there are a number of avenues of escape from it:

Being put down for non conformity to authoritarian rule, getting in trouble with your parents as a child, being so full of love and life they had to kill you to keep from feeling how dead their own lives were and remembering their own childhood pain, resulted in you being told in no uncertain terms you had go to sleep like them and that was done by threat and shame, being exposed to physical and psychological pain, told by being put down with words that you as you were were no good and that you had to conform. And you did have to to survive because back then you had no defensed whatsoever and could experience pain to it's human limits. We were made to feel as bad as we can possibly feel, or that we are the worst person in the world.

Well, where we died is where we unconsciously wish to return because life ended at that point so finding lost joy is our inner imperative so like moths to flames we recreate what we fear to feel it again, but our fears are too great. We create it only vicariously doomed forever to recreating our own horror show, the way out hidden somewhere there. We are magnetized, drawn close and then rejecting, repulsed and attracted endlessly in this hell. We seek redemption convinced we are unworthy of it, our catch 22.

Unless you realize that you are what you eat, that your emotional state is self created, that you react rather than understand, you will not seek a way out unless your life reaches some form of bottoming out or some inner awareness haunts you to seek.

Tradditionally wisdom is taught in schools depending of psychological type of the seeker. The enemy, of course is fear.

1 The way of the body or the faker who practices self torture and in this way achieves mastery over physical misery.

2 The way of the Monk who raises his love of God to the point is own love become like that of the god worshiped absent any fear.

3 The way of the form of Yoga that defeats the fear that is the product of thought by repetitive meditation, the conquering of the fear of being present in the now.

You might take a psychedelic and puncture through temporarily or wander off into some imaginary hell.

Any of the three can be combined to produce 7 fundamental approaches.

Then there is psychotherapy where you enter the darkness and retrieve your lost memories and grieve for yourself, an act that creates healing and reintegration with you real long lost self and begin to learn and rebuild


In our Wstern tradition the way of the Monk can still be found hidden in the Christian religion. Everything you feel ashamed of has been forgiven, go and sin no more. But the danger there is that people who think they believe are simply using concepts and words to pretend they were never guilty. Self awareness is self confession and for the honest can be done without a priest.

The way you think is what sin is all about, a attachment to the idea that good and evil exist. You were never guilty of anything as everything you did you had to do to survive. You are not equipped with information with which you can forgive your self for shame you never should have been made to feel. There is nobody you can blame and nobody who can blame you.

As Meher Baba said, relax and be happy. The truth is just so profoundly simple. Suffering is a delusional self created mental state, a belief in lies as if they were true.
 
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Jaskalas

Lifer
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Cool, so...
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Detail how this is a left leaning forum.
Have you seen a poll on partisan subjects?
In US terms, it's something like 90% Democrat to 10% Republican. Or greater.
That's what they are saying, and of course it is. Not something to be ashamed of or hide from.

We're not Fox News parading around the slogan "Fair and Balanced". Though I suppose they gave that up in the Trump era.
 

trenchfoot

Lifer
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"The people have spoken". Yep, they sure have, but it all looks like they didn't do any homework before they spoke up. All they did was watch that Comedy Channel called FOX all day and night, fapping away at all the juicy fables and hoax conspiracy programming they like to dish up.

Something that really gets me. See, this thing about all these working class folks defending Trump and his party of insurrecting traitors "no matter what". Well, these folks protecting Trump are also protecting those oligarchs that are going to make a killing having Trump the Chump to suck up to. The same folks that want to cut essential social services like SS, Medicare, Medicaid, pensions, the ACA, you know stuff that millions of Trumpies rely on to keep themselves from sinking into abject poverty, especially in those solid red welfare states.

Now if I'm reckoning this right, these folks who are protecting Trump and his expense cutting treasury raiding cronies in Congress are very much like the chickens guarding the FOXhouse while the foxes are stuffing themselves with chicken every which way and the chickens are lining themselves up, waiting to have themselves cooked up alive. I still do wonder why those chickens want to be that way. Never got an explanation from them, mostly because they cluck real loud, peck and flap their wings at me when I ask too many uncomfortable questions.
 
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