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DAPUNISHER

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New PCMR members join the ranks all the time. These videos are educational for them. It is my hope that some of it is ignorance at play. That is fixable. However, there is no explanation that will satisfy copium denizens.
 

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I find it kind of baffling that people will game a lot but never seemingly be curious enough when the frame rate drops significantly and just assume its GPU. Large swings are in my experience more often CPU, and they're situational so you notice them even more, like entering heavily crowded areas, or very complex geometry, or lots of effects from various sources like in MMO's.

And then you'll have (at least until recently) people saying their Sandy Bridge is still 'fine', while a friend of mine had me exchange his Ivy Bridge in 2018 because it completely tanked his WoW performance.
 
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It's partly the bad marketing from the GPU makers.

They will publicize gaming performance at 4K, usually with flagship CPUs and the average joe assumes that the dGPU can maintain that performance even with slower/cheaper SKUs or generations of CPUs.

Something like "you need minimum this generation of CPU to get the most out of this GPU" right on the box displayed prominently could help people understand the CPU limitation more.
 

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I find it kind of baffling that people will game a lot but never seemingly be curious enough when the frame rate drops significantly and just assume its GPU. Large swings are in my experience more often CPU, and they're situational so you notice them even more, like entering heavily crowded areas, or very complex geometry, or lots of effects from various sources like in MMO's.
Very common in specific areas of big RPGs. I remember in Starfield the whole New Atlantis is like this, the framerate is inexplicably much lower than the rest of the game.
 
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But then there is the AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D, the new king of the block, there is simply nothing better for gaming, and in Minecraft it shows even greater improvements than in other games - if you have the money for it, it is a no-brainer gaming chip.

It's no surprise that this chip also dominates in Minecraft:

 

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I don't get how this for 30 bucks more, is unacceptable when the GPU is 3x or more the cost. I get the ridiculous 750-1k motherboards, but intel had those when it was on top. I feel I got a decent board for 350, My CHVFZ IIRC was close to 300 back in the day.
 

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It is the same partisan crap with the parties switched. Back when AMD CPUs were slower than Intel's, the same folks sang different tunes.

As for myself, I'd say bring on 480p for all CPU tests. I can infer the 4K performance myself. Thank you very much.
 

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It is the same partisan crap with the parties switched. Back when AMD CPUs were slower than Intel's, the same folks sang different tunes.

As for myself, I'd say bring on 480p for all CPU tests. I can infer the 4K performance myself. Thank you very much.
I get what they're saying. If I game at 4K and I am not buying a new GPU - since that'll be $2000 - what do I care about 720p and 1080p charts? Future games? Approximately 99.99% of future games I won't care about. I find it strange since these X3D chips are far more hit or miss than past CPUs. And until I'm in 2026 how can I determine if it gets along?

However, the alternate chip would have to offer something significant. Maybe it isn't great at games but if it has much more MT performance at a similar or lower price I'd consider it. Or maybe somehow it has better browser performance. It needs significants advantages to be compelling in any way and I'm not sure Arrow Lake has enough real advantages to compel people to pick it instead.
 

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Honestly, I mainly care about what happens around my resolution. So 2560x1440 is mainly what I look at. Now obviously lower resolutions are more CPU bound, but I still could see benefits at 1440p, particularly with smoothness and minimum frame rates, as well as in certain older games or CPU/engine bound games. I also understand that people would be interested in seeing how their potential setup would fair at 4k or 1080p, or whatever resolution they may play at.
 

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Honestly, I mainly care about what happens around my resolution. So 2560x1440 is mainly what I look at. Now obviously lower resolutions are more CPU bound, but I still could see benefits at 1440p, particularly with smoothness and minimum frame rates, as well as in certain older games or CPU/engine bound games. I also understand that people would be interested in seeing how their potential setup would fair at 4k or 1080p, or whatever resolution they may play at.
If you look at my hwinfo I am not even cpu bound on that dawntrail at laptop low 720p 🤷
 

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Very common in specific areas of big RPGs. I remember in Starfield the whole New Atlantis is like this, the framerate is inexplicably much lower than the rest of the game.
This was the area I saw the most improvement in gaming when I upgraded from a 5600X to a 5800X3D last year. Went from 100%cpu usage and ~45-50 fps to 90% and a capped 60fps solid. I was definitely CPU bottlenecked pretty hard with a 7800XT.
 
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I would love to see more non FPS testing. Gamers Nexus shows the 9800x3d as being 37 percent faster than the 5800x3d in simulation time. The upgrade would literally turn games from unplayable to playable so is worth the upgrade for me. In turned based games FPS is pretty pointless as well. The Civ games are a good example where most people care about how long they have to wait after hitting the end turn button, rather than the fps they are getting.
 

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Second video in a couple of days explaining why they don't benchmark cpu's at 4k. They must be getting extreme levels of cope Intel copers.

I don't have any skin in this game so I'm just confirming what I understand from this video:

The bit that I think I knew fairly well was that the lower the resolution, the less work for the graphics card and more load for the CPU / rest of the system because the graphics card relies on data from the rest of the system to push up the frame rates further.

Upscaling is a lot like running a lower resolution but will be more load for the graphics card than the native lower resolution would be (because gfx still has to draw 4k), but less load than running the target resolution native. Some people want to upscale to improve framerates, or even to practically run vaguely playably at the target resolution.

(The upscaling thing is still pretty new to me and is very much a "something that other people do" thing, whereas I'm 1080p/60 for the foreseeable future)

One thing that really threw me for a while in that video was that there was a single readout for 4k native and I was wondering why the 4k native figures are sometimes higher than even the 1080p figures However, I was comparing the 1% low 1080p figure to the average framerate 4k figure. It's also the first thing in the morning here for me.
 

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As expected 9800X3D is a killer CPU for this killer CPU game. Re stalker 2
You were not joking. RIP 4/4, 4/8, 6/6, 8/8, and older higher core count CPUs in this game. Daniel-San testing the 5600X in a village and it is getting hammered. Video is time stamped -


I have not seen a CPU shootout in this game from a reputable reviewer yet. Post up if you see the 9800X3D v. others please.
 

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I get what they're saying. If I game at 4K and I am not buying a new GPU - since that'll be $2000 - what do I care about 720p and 1080p charts? Future games? Approximately 99.99% of future games I won't care about. I find it strange since these X3D chips are far more hit or miss than past CPUs. And until I'm in 2026 how can I determine if it gets along?

However, the alternate chip would have to offer something significant. Maybe it isn't great at games but if it has much more MT performance at a similar or lower price I'd consider it. Or maybe somehow it has better browser performance. It needs significants advantages to be compelling in any way and I'm not sure Arrow Lake has enough real advantages to compel people to pick it instead.
Well, the best thing is to just lowtest at 1080, 1440, and 4k. Personally, I think anything below 1080 testing is a waste of time. I know, people say you can predict future performance from lower resolution results, but I dont know if that theory has actually been proven scientifically.
 

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Is anyone else thinking that the 9950X3D will have a slightly better bin and a better boost on the die with the v-cache or something else that makes the performance even better?

There was the leaked Factorio benchmark from a few weeks ago, but that's just as likely the higher core count as anything and not definitive.
 

Joe NYC

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Is anyone else thinking that the 9950X3D will have a slightly better bin and a better boost on the die with the v-cache or something else that makes the performance even better?

There was the leaked Factorio benchmark from a few weeks ago, but that's just as likely the higher core count as anything and not definitive.

9950x3d will most likely get better bin, but how many of those will AMD be able to sell?

If there is plenty left over, there is a chance. 2 possibilities:
- ~65W version of 9800x3d (maybe targeting OEMs)
- higher clocked version of 9800x3d (for gamers)
 
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