8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

BFG10K · Jul 13, 2021

8GB

Dying Light 2, Battlefield 2042, Avatar Frontiers of Pandora, Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3, Starfield, Forza Horizon 5, Horizon Forbidden West, Alan Wake 2, The Last of Us, Tekken 8, FC 24, Detroit Become Human, Death Stranding, Alone in The Dark, Overwatch 2
3060 12GB higher 1% low than 4060 8GB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIfz57wmywg
Cyberpunk 2077, Diablo 4, Hogwarts Legacy, Horizon Zero Dawn, Microsoft Flight Sim 2020, Witcher 3, Watch Dogs Legion skip to 4K + DLSS for each game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPiaWWd0xGc
Ratchet & Clank, Plague Tale Requiem, Last Of Us, Jedi Survivor, Far Cry 6, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Cyberpunk 2077 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr3MckDxMfE&pp=ygUTMTZnYiB2cyA4Z2IgNDA2MCB0aQ==
Far Cry 6, Godfall, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Forspoken, Doom Eternal, Watchdogs Legion https://youtu.be/fJc--C01P90?t=268
Last Of Us, Resident Evil 4, Callisto Protocol, Plague Tale Requiem, Halo Infinite, Forspoken https://youtu.be/2_Y3E631ro8?t=429
Last Of Us, Hogwarts Legacy, Resident Evil 4, Forspoken, Plague Tale Requiem, Callisto Protocol https://youtu.be/Rh7kFgHe21k?t=288
Hogwarts Legacy, Last Of Us, Spider Man Remastered, Doom Eternal, Forza Horizon 5 https://youtu.be/R943CbDTq_s?t=1473
Horizon Forbidden West 4060 has issues @ 1080p + DLSS unless you switch off frame generation and reduce settings to high https://youtu.be/3AyKvI23VGw?t=233
Horizon Forbidden West 3070 requires reducing textures 2 notches https://youtu.be/xTwEGy6HHKo?t=351
Deathloop https://youtu.be/lu_XHyO-6zY?t=918
Ghost Recon Breakpoint https://youtu.be/iUGppQVpXzU?t=529
Resident Evil 2 https://youtu.be/Aa-gsgRjMII?t=796
Talos Principle 2 https://youtu.be/K6FATQAuEwI?t=337
Spider Man Remastered https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1060
Witcher 3 https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1240

Horizon Forbidden West 3060 is faster than the 2080 Super despite the former usually competing with the 2070. Also 3060 has a better 1% low than 4060 and 4060Ti 8GB.

Resident Evil Village 3060TI/3070 tanks at 4K and is slower than the 3060/6700XT when ray tracing:

Company Of Heroes 3060 has a higher minimum than the 3070TI:

10GB / 12GB

Plague Tale Requiem 3080 10GB tanks if you enable ray tracing, would be fast enough if it had more VRAM because if you stop moving, the framerate stabilizes to >60FPS https://youtu.be/7zjrMww3fAc?t=496
Hogwarts Legacy 4K + RT, 4060Ti 16GB is faster than 4070 12GB https://youtu.be/X-h_R488Mq8?t=191

Reasons why still shipping 8GB since 2014 isn't NV's fault.

It's the player's fault.
It's the reviewer's fault.
It's the developer's fault.
It's AMD's fault.
It's the game's fault.
It's the driver's fault.
It's a system configuration issue.
Wrong settings were tested.
Wrong area was tested.
Wrong games were tested.
4K is irrelevant.
Texture quality is irrelevant as long as it matches a console's.
Detail levels are irrelevant as long as they match a console's.
There's no reason a game should use more than 8GB, because a random forum user said so.
It's completely acceptable for the more expensive 3070/3070TI/3080 to turn down settings while the cheaper 3060/6700XT has no issue.
It's an anomaly.
It's a console port.
It's a conspiracy against NV.
8GB cards aren't meant for 4K / 1440p / 1080p / 720p gaming.
It's completely acceptable to disable ray tracing on NV while AMD has no issue.
Polls, hardware market share, and game title count are evidence 8GB is enough, but are totally ignored when they don't suit the ray tracing agenda.

According to some people here, 8GB is neeeevaaaaah NV's fault and objective evidence "doesn't count" because of reasons(tm). If you have others please let me know and I'll add them to the list. Cheers!

DAPUNISHER · Nov 12, 2024

poke01 said:
Re Stalker 2

I pray for the people with 8GBs cards. You’ll see in 2 weeks

They have an 8GB card listed for 1440 high, what gives?

poke01 · Nov 12, 2024

DAPUNISHER said:
They have an 8GB card listed for 1440 high, what gives?

Yeah I don’t believe that for a second lol. The RTX 4070 and RX 6800 XT have 12GB/16GB respectively.

The 3070Ti is both slower than both these cards and has less VRAM. Most people should take these specs cards as a guide I suppose, not as gospel.

marees · Nov 12, 2024

Twitter discourse:

The "average person" doesn't care about 1% lows 🤔🤔🤔

https://twitter.com/x/status/1856457890095067231

SolidQ · Nov 12, 2024

DAPUNISHER said:
They have an 8GB card listed for 1440 high, what gives?

I think it's mistake. There should be RTX 3080

68 fps on RTX 470 at 1080

1440p

4k

igor_kavinski · Nov 13, 2024

^^^ What a shill Nvidia being, using the 14900K in their test bench, just coz they would like AMD to not exist.

The same 14900K that caused crashes and out of video memory errors on THEIR cards used by THEIR customers.

Seriously, WITAF

poke01 · Nov 13, 2024

igor_kavinski said:
^^^ What a shill Nvidia being, using the 14900K in their test bench, just coz they would like AMD to not exist.

The same 14900K that caused crashes and out of video memory errors on THEIR cards used by THEIR customers.

Seriously, WITAF

More than likely these were done in early November before the 9800X3D was available. Now the 5000 series better be on AMD.

AMD also tests their CPUs using the RX 7900XTX instead of the 4090. They did it for the 9800X3D leaving fps on the table. It’s best to ignore these first party tests.

igor_kavinski · Nov 13, 2024

poke01 said:
AMD also tests their CPUs using the RX 7900XTX instead of the 4090. They did it for the 9800X3D leaving fps on the table. It’s best to ignore these first party tests.

AMD can be excused because they have their own CPU and it's currently the best for gaming on average. But Nvidia testing that game with 14900K shows how evil they are. They are doing free marketing for a CPU with WELL KNOWN degradation issues and the harm they will cause to their gullible users in the long term by doing that is going to be epic if even 20% of their users are impacted.

This is Nvidia we are talking about. It's not like some techie in a basement did those benchmarks and released them. God knows how many people were involved in signing off on those benchmarks. That not one of them objected to 14900K says a lot about their culture. This is nothing but corporate politics. The worst kind.

Taltaus · Nov 13, 2024

Cool, so stalker 2 will run with my 4070 in 2k. Great! Though have to upgrade to 16 GB ...

Edit: well - nothing is running in the end lol - i have a really great with ryzen 9 and rtx 4070 (the msi version mentioned in this article) and i cant get stable 50 fps in 2k - what a joke ... sometimes the fps drop to 15-20 ... often when i enter a small town :/

poke01 · Nov 13, 2024

igor_kavinski said:
AMD can be excused because they have their own CPU and it's currently the best for gaming on average. But Nvidia testing that game with 14900K shows how evil they are. They are doing free marketing for a CPU with WELL KNOWN degradation issues and the harm they will cause to their gullible users in the long term by doing that is going to be epic if even 20% of their users are impacted.

This is Nvidia we are talking about. It's not like some techie in a basement did those benchmarks and released them. God knows how many people were involved in signing off on those benchmarks. That not one of them objected to 14900K says a lot about their culture. This is nothing but corporate politics. The worst kind.

I agree with that not great optics. Even a 7800X3D would have been enough now that I think about it

marees · Nov 13, 2024

poke01 said:
I agree with that not great optics. Even a 7800X3D would have been enough now that I think about it

I think if intel bug is fixed, then it could actually be better during shader compilation & texture uncompression especially for low vram nvidia cards

poke01 · Nov 13, 2024

marees said:
I think if intel bug is fixed, then it could actually be better during shader compilation & texture uncompression especially for low vram nvidia cards

This is a fair take too, i don’t buy the full on conspiracy theories but it would be good if future Nvidia slide decks used AMD X3D as well.

DAPUNISHER · Thursday at 3:39 PM

Looks like 8GB cards 1080 high with FG run out of VRAM resulting in severe hitches in Stalker 2.

poke01 · Thursday at 3:47 PM

DAPUNISHER said:
Looks like 8GB cards 1080 high with FG run out of VRAM resulting in severe hitches in Stalker 2.

not surprising, you need minimum 12GB for this game.

Love games like these, cause they actually put your cpu/gpu to work

Ranulf · Thursday at 4:18 PM

poke01 said:
not surprising, you need minimum 12GB for this game.

Love games like these, cause they actually put your cpu/gpu to work

It is certainly looking like a game that will need some more time in the oven for patches. Some people it runs well but for many it appears to be rather buggy.

marees · Thursday at 4:46 PM

DAPUNISHER said:
Looks like 8GB cards 1080 high with FG run out of VRAM resulting in severe hitches in Stalker 2.

As I said earlier, FG is a kryptonite for 8gb cards

DLSS FG consumes lots of memory. In this case better to buy a 3060 than 4060, if you are a Nv customer (or you can just buy the 6800 for $340 and end this debate now)

poke01 · Thursday at 5:09 PM

marees said:
FG is a kryptonite for 8gb card

Yep, there is a reason why Nvidia used the 16GB variant of the 4060 Ti in their testing.

8GB is a trap to get you to upgrade earlier, avoid those cards!

marees · Thursday at 5:10 PM

Stalker on 8gb cards

https://twitter.com/x/status/1859711340220383294

7600 vs 7600xt

https://twitter.com/x/status/1859720024489066787

poke01 · Thursday at 7:16 PM

CPU used is 9800X3D
I'm really impressed with the 4070 Super here, it beats the 7800xt at 1080p and 1440p while pulling less watts but at 4K the higher vram and higher bandwidth gives way to the 7800 XT for 10 more frames.

DAPUNISHER · Friday at 12:03 AM

I am not impressed with the super at all. As here in the U.S. the 4070 Super is $590 while the 7800XT is $440. The super is firmly wedged between the 7900GRE $530 and the 7900XT $640.

Shmee · Friday at 12:34 AM

Yeah the mid tier Geforce cards are a bit of an odd place in terms of performance per $. The 4070 Super has similar performance to a 7800XT, but costs more, and has less memory than it or the 7900GRE. Though it generally has better RT performance, I am not really into that, so I think the 7900GRE is a better choice in that price range. Also, to my understanding the 7900GRE can now have it's memory easily OCed for more performance, due to being similar memory used in the 7900XT or XTX, but being clocked lower in the firmware.

DAPUNISHER · Friday at 1:02 AM

Tim revisited the RTX 2060, and one of the big problems is 6GB.

In 4yrs we will probably be viewing the current expensive 12GB cards the same way. I.E. Overpriced, poor choice for current RT, not enough vram, and forced to use more aggressive upscaling. Frame generation is also turning into an important feature due to how badly games are optimized. If you want high refresh fps anyways. It needs vram the same as RT, and I would rather have 16GB or more. If I was shopping I'd buy the 7900XT, the extra $50 is money well spent IMO.

DAPUNISHER · Friday at 1:12 AM

TPU's street cred is going right in the toilet. He used the 9800X3D for some of the test but still has the 14900K in use = GTFO. Then the conclusion is contrary to everything else I've seen from testing in the game's current state. Undoubtedly due to such short test runs. I watched Pedro play on a 4060 and it will flatout stop for 1/2 second at times. While AB does not show the vram being exceeded the system ram spikes up when it happens.

VRAM
Our testing shows that Stalker 2 is very well-behaved in terms of VRAM usage. Even at 4K you're barely hitting 10 GB; lowest settings runs at around 6 GB, so virtually all cards can handle the game without problems. Interestingly, some AMD cards with 8 GB VRAM take a pretty big performance hit at 4K, while their NVIDIA counterparts are not affected. This is probably due to the GPU architectures managing their memory differently. Enabling frame generation on top adds another 1-2 GB, not a problem at all.

poke01 · Friday at 4:14 AM

DAPUNISHER said:
Tim revisited the RTX 2060, and one of the big problems is 6GB.

In 4yrs we will probably be viewing the current expensive 12GB cards the same way. I.E. Overpriced, poor choice for current RT, not enough vram, and forced to use more aggressive upscaling. Frame generation is also turning into an important feature due to how badly games are optimized. If you want high refresh fps anyways. It needs vram the same as RT, and I would rather have 16GB or more. If I was shopping I'd buy the 7900XT, the extra $50 is money well spent IMO.

Same story with RTX 5000 non-supers. They will be more expensive and will knee-cap on VRAM.

So Nvidia won't have a good midrange lineup till early 2026... Best to vote with your wallet and go with AMD next generation and Intel if BMG is good for midrange.

poke01 · Friday at 4:30 AM

Ok it looks like the 5070 Ti will not have 12GB VRAM like the 4070 Ti did at launch and it will have a 16GB and 256-bit bus width. With GDDR7 also, its the card to get for the 5000 series.
Its best to avoid the 5070 as that will have 12GB VRAM.

With this new information its bit better but the rumours of the 5070 Super have 18GB is much more enticing than this but until then 5070 Ti would suffice Nvidia buyers. AMD and Intel have a great opportunity to take the $300-400 market now.

https://videocardz.com/newz/geforce-rtx-5090-5080-5070ti-and-5070-to-launch-in-q1-rtx-5070-expected-to-feature-6400-cores

Thunder 57 · Friday at 5:28 AM

poke01 said:
Ok it looks like the 5070 Ti will not have 12GB VRAM like the 4070 Ti did at launch and it will have a 16GB and 256-bit bus width. With GDDR7 also, its the card to get for the 5000 series.
Its best to avoid the 5070 as that will have 12GB VRAM.

With this new information its bit better but the rumours of the 5070 Super have 18GB is much more enticing than this but until then 5070 Ti would suffice Nvidia buyers. AMD and Intel have a great opportunity to take the $300-400 market now.

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https://videocardz.com/newz/geforce-rtx-5090-5080-5070ti-and-5070-to-launch-in-q1-rtx-5070-expected-to-feature-6400-cores

If those specs are accurate only the 5070 Tye makes sense. The 5070 and below will be handicapped by VRAM. The 4080 will probably only be a moderate lift and cost more. The 5090 will sell I'm sure no matter what the price but if that power is true it will be a small spaceheater.

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