Angela Merkel...I mistook Trump for ‘someone completely normal'

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Angela Merkel’s first mistake with Donald Trump, she says in her keenly awaited new memoir, was treating him as if he were “completely normal”, but she quickly learned of his “emotional” nature and soft spot for authoritarians and tyrants.

Rather than trying to build bridges with traditional allies, Merkel writes, “Trump was apparently fascinated with the Russian president”, and she notes that “politicians with autocratic and dictatorial traits had him in their thrall”.
On the flight home after their first talks, a deflated Merkel concluded that Trump “looked at everything like the real estate developer he was before he entered politics” – as a zero-sum game. “For him, all countries were rivals in which the success of one meant the failure of another. He didn’t think that prosperity could be increased for all through cooperation.”
 

Moonbeam

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What is the most satisfaction a person can take between being emotionally a cornucopia or a vacuum cleaner psychologically? What is Trump? Does he sound happy, pathetic????
 

Moonbeam

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I don't think Trump has been happy a day in his entire life.
None of us were born with an ego, just a particular set of genes in which is coded various potential capacities that the crystallization of ego, self identification defining us as worthless beings, kill for future development.

I remember an experience I once had on acid where I saw myself as a bird in a cage trapped there by the fact that I could only fly from perch to perch, unknowing the life of the variety of songs that wild birds of my species can sing. Do you think I have ever known the fullness of who I might have become had I never bowed my head in shame, had clouds obscured the stars.

Please notice that you have a very definite belief that something called happiness exists, and that also you feel its worth even though you may not know it in its fullness or every minute.

I do feel his childhood was an exceptional example of hell having created such a person so exceptionally incapable of real love and so devoid of empathy for others, but I think part of his incredible hatred and will to get even is partly a reflection of the magnitude of what was lost. I see aptitudes in him that had they been captured by light rather than darkness might have lead to him being a real somebody.
 

dank69

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None of us were born with an ego, just a particular set of genes in which is coded various potential capacities that the crystallization of ego, self identification defining us as worthless beings, kill for future development.

I remember an experience I once had on acid where I saw myself as a bird in a cage trapped there by the fact that I could only fly from perch to perch, unknowing the life of the variety of songs that wild birds of my species can sing. Do you think I have ever known the fullness of who I might have become had I never bowed my head in shame, had clouds obscured the stars.

Please notice that you have a very definite belief that something called happiness exists, and that also you feel its worth even though you may not know it in its fullness or every minute.

I do feel his childhood was an exceptional example of hell having created such a person so exceptionally incapable of real love and so devoid of empathy for others, but I think part of his incredible hatred and will to get even is partly a reflection of the magnitude of what was lost. I see aptitudes in him that had they been captured by light rather than darkness might have lead to him being a real somebody.
I honestly don't think he cares that much about getting even. His sycophants and other Republicans care about that, but not him. The only thing he cares about is being loved. He needs every person on the planet to believe he is the best person who ever lived.
 

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Merkel was naïve and slow. Even before the 2016 General it was obvious he had no qualifications for POTUS.
 

Moonbeam

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I honestly don't think he cares that much about getting even. His sycophants and other Republicans care about that, but not him. The only thing he cares about is being loved. He needs every person on the planet to believe he is the best person who ever lived.
I think that's a bad call for this reason. What is obsession with being admired, loved, the same thing? Is it not a feeling that love is absent. What if you are made to feel you do not deserve love? What happens them? Will you not seek endlessly seek to fill that hole that was created by endless heaps of praise. praise that falls empty on that unconscious sense of worthlessness all tat seeking is hoping to deny.

Have I not suggested we are all vacuum cleaners sucking on vacuum cleaners, pouring from the empty into the void? Can you really tell me that with the destruction of self respect by being put down as a child there's no accompanying rage and will to get even.

Trump isn't dangerous because he needs flattering attention, but because no amount of it will ever be felt by him as he can't trust others to feel what he can't feel himself. His intolerable inner sense of emptiness will cause him to act out with that Trump killer instinct, the one thing Trumps father will appreciate seeing in his son.

Getting even is all there is and millions of fellow empty self haters will line up behind him in the hope there will be crumbs to lick up or a chance at holding the axe.
 

dank69

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I think that's a bad call for this reason. What is obsession with being admired, loved, the same thing? Is it not a feeling that love is absent. What if you are made to feel you do not deserve love? What happens them? Will you not seek endlessly seek to fill that hole that was created by endless heaps of praise. praise that falls empty on that unconscious sense of worthlessness all tat seeking is hoping to deny.

Have I not suggested we are all vacuum cleaners sucking on vacuum cleaners, pouring from the empty into the void? Can you really tell me that with the destruction of self respect by being put down as a child there's no accompanying rage and will to get even.

Trump isn't dangerous because he needs flattering attention, but because no amount of it will ever be felt by him as he can't trust others to feel what he can't feel himself. His intolerable inner sense of emptiness will cause him to act out with that Trump killer instinct, the one thing Trumps father will appreciate seeing in his son.

Getting even is all there is and millions of fellow empty self haters will line up behind him in the hope there will be crumbs to lick up or a chance at holding the axe.
No he is a danger because he will sell out the entire country for a compliment.
 

Moonbeam

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No he is a danger because he will sell out the entire country for a compliment.
I have this same issue with left brain thinkers constantly and it revolves around ending an analysis of an issue by pointing to a symptom that describes some behavior. “Joe is always kicking holes in the wall because he has anger issues, etc.”.

OK, I don’t disagree that Trump would sell the country because he’s narcissistic, which is characterized by a need for praise and that makes him dangerous. But you could say a deeper danger than that is that such a man was elected by voters along with a lot of others who are more likely seeking power and money rather than complements.

Are you going to say people voted for him because he was looking for complements. I am sure he was looking to win, to complement himself in part, but he was also running to stay out of jail and escape financial loss.

The problem is that Trump has a number of different personality disorders all of which make him dangerous and listing what they are and the symptoms they express are all disorders because they are self destructive, compulsive, and internally and externally danaging.

So we could sat that Trump is dangerously because he is not mentally well and because he is President is a danger to the nation.

I am happier with this because it embraces not just the danger of narcissism but sociopathy and on an on.

But all of this is still so what to me. Trump is dangerously because too many American voters for endless and complex reasons of their own pulled the lever for a dangerously mental individual. This suits me even more. So say I am ready to stop here. Well then now what. I have described a moral conclusion we should not vote for nutcases for President because it dangerous for the country.

Does anything change? Does anybody else see? Do Americans care? I don’t think so. It’s just a description with what is and where we are. You might also say here that humanity is asleep or that we are what we eat culturally, that our culture is sick.

I don’t care how you state the issue. However you state it, the future as some of us see it looks to be full of dangers Trumps power will bring.

No matter how you characterize why he is dangerous the belief is that he is dangerous and that, of course opens a different debate as to even if he is dangerous as the voters obviously didn’t think so at a conscious level anyway. Let’s not go there here.

So my issue is this. A description is a description. You can file it away. You cas say don’t vote Trump, he’s deranged or dangerous, whatever.

The only thing that interests me is why he is the way he is, why people vote how they do. I am interested in motivation, the drivers of behavior, why some people seem safe to be around and others are dangerously. How did we get where we are.

Would an understanding of the origins of mental illness suggests ways to prevent it from happening or cure it?

The answer is that when we first learned to think with words and categorize things, words began to tie ideas with feelings and when they could be used to make us experience fear, our feelings went underground, hidden behind ego.

As humans developed a sense of separateness, acquired a sense of individuality and lost the oceanic experience of being here only in the now there were always those who found their way back.

Putdowns told you you don’t deserve the simple joy of being.

Trump was told he could only be respected by his father by becoming just like him and that included never having the weakness of loving anything.
 
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