8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

BFG10K · Jul 13, 2021

8GB

Dying Light 2, Battlefield 2042, Avatar Frontiers of Pandora, Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3, Starfield, Forza Horizon 5, Horizon Forbidden West, Alan Wake 2, The Last of Us, Tekken 8, FC 24, Detroit Become Human, Death Stranding, Alone in The Dark, Overwatch 2
3060 12GB higher 1% low than 4060 8GB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIfz57wmywg
Cyberpunk 2077, Diablo 4, Hogwarts Legacy, Horizon Zero Dawn, Microsoft Flight Sim 2020, Witcher 3, Watch Dogs Legion skip to 4K + DLSS for each game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPiaWWd0xGc
Ratchet & Clank, Plague Tale Requiem, Last Of Us, Jedi Survivor, Far Cry 6, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Cyberpunk 2077 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr3MckDxMfE&pp=ygUTMTZnYiB2cyA4Z2IgNDA2MCB0aQ==
Far Cry 6, Godfall, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Forspoken, Doom Eternal, Watchdogs Legion https://youtu.be/fJc--C01P90?t=268
Last Of Us, Resident Evil 4, Callisto Protocol, Plague Tale Requiem, Halo Infinite, Forspoken https://youtu.be/2_Y3E631ro8?t=429
Last Of Us, Hogwarts Legacy, Resident Evil 4, Forspoken, Plague Tale Requiem, Callisto Protocol https://youtu.be/Rh7kFgHe21k?t=288
Hogwarts Legacy, Last Of Us, Spider Man Remastered, Doom Eternal, Forza Horizon 5 https://youtu.be/R943CbDTq_s?t=1473
Horizon Forbidden West 4060 has issues @ 1080p + DLSS unless you switch off frame generation and reduce settings to high https://youtu.be/3AyKvI23VGw?t=233
Horizon Forbidden West 3070 requires reducing textures 2 notches https://youtu.be/xTwEGy6HHKo?t=351
Deathloop https://youtu.be/lu_XHyO-6zY?t=918
Ghost Recon Breakpoint https://youtu.be/iUGppQVpXzU?t=529
Resident Evil 2 https://youtu.be/Aa-gsgRjMII?t=796
Talos Principle 2 https://youtu.be/K6FATQAuEwI?t=337
Spider Man Remastered https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1060
Witcher 3 https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1240

Horizon Forbidden West 3060 is faster than the 2080 Super despite the former usually competing with the 2070. Also 3060 has a better 1% low than 4060 and 4060Ti 8GB.

Resident Evil Village 3060TI/3070 tanks at 4K and is slower than the 3060/6700XT when ray tracing:

Company Of Heroes 3060 has a higher minimum than the 3070TI:

10GB / 12GB

Plague Tale Requiem 3080 10GB tanks if you enable ray tracing, would be fast enough if it had more VRAM because if you stop moving, the framerate stabilizes to >60FPS https://youtu.be/7zjrMww3fAc?t=496
Hogwarts Legacy 4K + RT, 4060Ti 16GB is faster than 4070 12GB https://youtu.be/X-h_R488Mq8?t=191

Reasons why still shipping 8GB since 2014 isn't NV's fault.

It's the player's fault.
It's the reviewer's fault.
It's the developer's fault.
It's AMD's fault.
It's the game's fault.
It's the driver's fault.
It's a system configuration issue.
Wrong settings were tested.
Wrong area was tested.
Wrong games were tested.
4K is irrelevant.
Texture quality is irrelevant as long as it matches a console's.
Detail levels are irrelevant as long as they match a console's.
There's no reason a game should use more than 8GB, because a random forum user said so.
It's completely acceptable for the more expensive 3070/3070TI/3080 to turn down settings while the cheaper 3060/6700XT has no issue.
It's an anomaly.
It's a console port.
It's a conspiracy against NV.
8GB cards aren't meant for 4K / 1440p / 1080p / 720p gaming.
It's completely acceptable to disable ray tracing on NV while AMD has no issue.
Polls, hardware market share, and game title count are evidence 8GB is enough, but are totally ignored when they don't suit the ray tracing agenda.

According to some people here, 8GB is neeeevaaaaah NV's fault and objective evidence "doesn't count" because of reasons(tm). If you have others please let me know and I'll add them to the list. Cheers!

Thunder 57 · Friday at 7:31 AM

I just read the comments section in that Videocardz post, it's pretty brutal. Maybe people will stop buying Nvidia blindly? Nah, they'll complain about it but still buy them.

Mopetar · Friday at 12:32 PM

DAPUNISHER said:
Frame generation is also turning into an important feature due to how badly games are optimized.

This was something I was concerned about several years ago and was it's sad to see my fears coming to pass.

Developers using the technology as a crutch because reviews don't focus on how the game runs without the bells and whistles is not something we should accept without protest.

Similarly, it gives the GPU makers another avenue for planned obsolescence as they can easily drop support for a laser generation cards that will not run newer games well due to needing the latest version of frame generation or super sampling technology for best results. What good is your 16 GB of VRAM if they have another way to make your card need an early replacement?

Ranulf · Friday at 3:05 PM

A poster on Hardforum tested Stalker2 on a 7900XT, 3090ti, 3070ti and an A770 at 1440p. FPS were 78, 69, 78, 53fps respectively. They were running the 3070 and 770 on a 12900k vs 14700kf for the first two. Memory leak though when using the 7900xt. This is yet another game with launch issues at the least.

https://hardforum.com/threads/s-t-a-l-k-e-r-2-heart-of-chernobyl.1960646/page-22#post-1045999841

DAPUNISHER · Friday at 3:33 PM

My gaming TV gets delivered tomorrow. Provided it doesn't need to be returned this is my last day of 1080/60.

I am playing Stalker 2 on my 7800X3D+7900XTX+32GB CL30 6000+2TB PCIe 4 nvme. 1080 epic FSR AA locked 60fps is buttery smooth with the exception of the couple of seconds when I hit the first town. It drops to 56-57 for a second or 3 sometimes where the CPU crunch is. Reminds me of when you look down into Diamond City from the steps in FO4. That was rough on most CPUs at the time. It dropped during the first cutscene in the bar as well, but it was smooth.

I don't know that I would call it a memory leak, it peaked at about 18GB of vram (I played for 5hrs straight) but I experienced none of the hiching, microstutter, or any of the other stuff besides the badly flickering textures on walls, at the big military base with the towers. I saw DF Alex (I like what the initials could be construed as meaning ) reported the same flickering using the 4090. Seems more like it is using the framebuffer to good effect.

jpiniero · Friday at 3:40 PM

Mopetar said:
This was something I was concerned about several years ago and was it's sad to see my fears coming to pass.

Developers using the technology as a crutch because reviews don't focus on how the game runs without the bells and whistles is not something we should accept without protest.

This has always been an issue on PC. The difference is that average specs haven't completely obliterated everything on the consoles at all aspects. And yes VRAM is one of those.

Plus people without the highest end stuff were more willing to not run at max settings.

SmokSmog · Saturday at 6:56 AM

Stalker is a shitshow on 8GB GPUs

marees · Saturday at 7:24 AM

SmokSmog said:
Stalker is a shitshow on 8GB GPUs

Even 10gb is suspect now !!!

Achieving 60 fps at 1080p requires at least a Radeon RX 7800 XT or RTX 3080. However, the previous generation 10GB GPU showed some struggles with 1% lows – not to an alarming degree, but there were noticeable dips. Speaking of dips, the 8GB models were completely unplayable, failing to meet acceptable performance standards.

Stalker 2: Heart of Chornobyl GPU Benchmark

After 15 years, Stalker 2: Heart of Chornobyl finally brings the series back, delivering Unreal Engine 5 visuals and intense gameplay. We tested 31 GPUs across resolutions and settings---let's dive in!

www.techspot.com

marees · Saturday at 7:33 AM

marees said:
Even 10gb is suspect now !!!

Achieving 60 fps at 1080p requires at least a Radeon RX 7800 XT or RTX 3080. However, the previous generation 10GB GPU showed some struggles with 1% lows – not to an alarming degree, but there were noticeable dips. Speaking of dips, the 8GB models were completely unplayable, failing to meet acceptable performance standards.

Stalker 2: Heart of Chornobyl GPU Benchmark

After 15 years, Stalker 2: Heart of Chornobyl finally brings the series back, delivering Unreal Engine 5 visuals and intense gameplay. We tested 31 GPUs across resolutions and settings---let's dive in!

www.techspot.com

Frame this diagram

An interesting observation is that the 16GB RTX 4060 Ti averaged 65 fps, making it 10% faster than the 8GB version. However, in terms of 1% lows, the 16GB model was 100% faster, delivering a much better experience. This aligns with findings at 1440p with upscaling.

The takeaway here is that 8GB graphics cards encounter performance issues even at 1080p with upscaling in this game. Whether future optimizations will address this remains uncertain, though some improvement is likely.

DAPUNISHER · Saturday at 7:48 AM

3070 was a $500 card, and it becomes a slide deck at 1440 when the 3060 12GB does not. 3060 can do locked 30 when it cannot at 1080. The 7600 showing why is should be a $200 card.

igor_kavinski · Saturday at 8:49 AM

DAPUNISHER said:
My gaming TV gets delivered tomorrow. Provided it doesn't need to be returned this is my last day of 1080/60.

Which one?

SolidQ · Saturday at 8:52 AM

DAPUNISHER said:
The 7600 showing why is should be a $200 card.

Should be for N44 max 230$, but higher gonna be fail

jpiniero · Saturday at 10:35 AM

SolidQ said:
Should be for N44 max 230$, but higher gonna be fail

If AMD wants to actually make money, it'll have to be a lot more than that. AMD might be better off doing 16 GB only and just charging a lot more. Save 8 GB for OEM only.

Ranulf · Saturday at 10:45 AM

It is all about appropriate settings. Ignore those 1% lows.

igor_kavinski · Saturday at 11:17 AM

Ranulf said:
It is all about appropriate settings. Ignore those 1% lows.

I think the people ignoring 1% lows synchronize their blinking with the frame jerkiness

SolidQ · Saturday at 11:22 AM

jpiniero said:
If AMD wants to actually make money, it'll have to be a lot more than that.

There is 5060, N44 won't sell much. Unless fsr4 and rt is nice. Would be best for AMD at least make 10gb card, but there no 10gb version

jpiniero · Saturday at 11:45 AM

SolidQ said:
There is 5060, N44 won't sell much. Unless fsr4 and rt is nice. Would be best for AMD at least make 10gb card, but there no 10gb version

5060 probably isn't going to be any faster than 4060.

poke01 · Saturday at 11:25 PM

lol. 1440p epic

poke01 · Saturday at 11:36 PM

Once again I'm very happy with the 4070S perf here(I might be tiny bit biased ).

Whats up RDNA3 cards, they are performing poorly at 1440p? Hopefully AMD releases a driver update because they haven't released one. While Nvidia and Intel have done so already.

Ranulf · 2024-11-27T05:42:18-0500

Enjoy Hub's take on 8GB for 5k series cards from Nvidia. "How much?" If it plays in your language that is. Youtube has decided some of us can only watch it in Spanish, Italian, Portugese or French. Though watching the two of them complain in espanol about nvidia could be fun.

igor_kavinski · 2024-11-27T05:43:18-0500

Ranulf said:
Youtube has decided some of us can only watch it in Spanish, Italian, Portugese or French.

Must be a temporary bug.

Ranulf · 2024-11-27T06:12:06-0500

igor_kavinski said:
Must be a temporary bug.

Hopefully. HUB response is funny.

igor_kavinski · 2024-11-27T06:37:32-0500

Ranulf said:
Hopefully. HUB response is funny.

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I think Youtube unleashed one of their test AI bots

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