Question *Subjective* is OLED actually worth it?

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amenx

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Good explanation of what goes on the various layers used to tame reflections in displays and why glossy has a more realistic image and depth perception.

 

Golgatha

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If money was no issue, I would have OLED everything, but that would be about $4k for 3 PC setups in my house. So, I have 4x 1440p IPS monitors instead for a total cost of about $800. Now for my TV watching, I'm spoiled and have 3x OLED displays. After getting my first 55in 1080p OLED, I couldn't go back to watching anything else. That original 55in 1080p set is hooked up to my Wii U, Switch, PS3, and a couple of mini retro game consoles. There's a 55in 4k set is in my bedroom and a 77in 4k for the home theatre.
 
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That original 55in 1080p set is hooked up to my Wii U, Switch, PS3, and a couple of mini retro game consoles.
That was wayyyyy back in 2018 or 2019??? I don't think they make those TVs anymore. And I think it also doesn't have HDR but the reviews still said the images popped wayyy more than IPS or VA panels. Have you done any screen testing to see if there are any discernible burned-in logos or other screen issues?
 

Motostu

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Probably more like 10 years ago. My B7A (2017) is 4k, and I know the 6 series were 4k.
 

Golgatha

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That was wayyyyy back in 2018 or 2019??? I don't think they make those TVs anymore. And I think it also doesn't have HDR but the reviews still said the images popped wayyy more than IPS or VA panels. Have you done any screen testing to see if there are any discernible burned-in logos or other screen issues?
2017 but I bought it for cheap as a closeout, so probably a 2016 model I'm guessing. No burn in or screen issues, but it was and still is mainly used for movies and gaming, so I wouldn't expect any issues. There is no HDR. This is one of the few OLED TVs that support passive viewing of 3D Blurays, and I still own a few. I'll probably hook a PS2 up to it soon as well since I have the component video adapter still. In a bright room, I can confirm there are purple reflections as noted in the review below, but otherwise it's a pretty perfect TV for retro and current Nintendo gaming.


Edit: Fun fact, the EG9100OLED has a curved screen and requires a set-specific wall mount that was originally $150 I think. I luckily found this wall mount as a clearance item at Micro Center a couple of years after I purchased the TV for $20, and only started using it about 2 years ago when I moved into my current house.
 
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Motostu

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It's definitely not for every budget. Now that Samsung is in the game, though, prices have been coming down a little faster. Maybe in a few more years with better processes and improved yields they could get closer to LCD prices.


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MoragaBlue

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Been pondering upgrading to an OLED, and the 32 Samsung on sale for $1,000 caught my eye. However, the TV features on it are a deal breaker. So, is there a 32 4k 240hz anyone can recommend? There seems to be very few of them. The Asus at $1,200+. LG at $1,200+. And, MSI at $950. Probably, best to wait until the price comes down?
 

MoragaBlue

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Ok, I'm going buy one of these: ASUS ROG PG32UCDM or the PG32UCDP.

Anyone with insights or have used either of these? I'm new to OLEDs and have only done some preliminary due diligence, but it appears the UCDM uses the Samsung screen, while the UCDP the LG (which is $100 cheaper from them, but I prefer Asus's design, pre calibration and features).

I also looked into the MSI MPG 321URX at around $950, but it's not GSync certified. Does that even matter? Or, it'll work just as well, but MSI just didn't bother paying Nvidia for the fancy cert.

Thanks!
 

lakedude

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We were just at Best Buy and my favorite TV by far was a matte finish Samsung OLED. OMG it was so nice but $3k ouch!
 

Golgatha

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As an update to previous comments, I got really lucky and also decided to splurge recently on my first OLED PC monitor. I found a LG 27GS95QE-B.AUS as an open box at my local Micro Center, and that week they were running an additional 10% off monitors. After tax, I was out the door for around $590. At this price point, it was worth it to me to upgrade.

Money comments aside, I do absolutely love that this monitor has true HDR and VRR on the HDMI 2.1 input, as I have a PS5 at my desk. One feature I really love not related to the video output is the optical audio output. This greatly simplified by audio hookups from my PS5 + PC to the Bose soundbar I'm using for non-headphone listening. Lately I've been playing a lot of Diablo 4. The video output for a game like this one that has lots of dark backgrounds clashing with flashy spells, fire, etc. just looks phenomenal. It was really, really good on an IPS screen (equivalent to the one on the left in my picture), but it just pops now. At the end of the day, it's definitely the best monitor I've ever owned bar none. It's also nice to not have to compromise on visual fidelity or lack of VRR with my PS5, as I wait to rebuild my home theatre in my current house using my previously mentioned (in this thread) LG 77in OLED with VRR support. One last comment, in terms of brightness, even in a well-lit room, the brightness is more than sufficient for any work being done. In fact, at least the perceived brightness is so good, I actually turned it down quite a bit to match my IPS monitor, as I found it too bright for working with something like an entirely white Excel spreadsheet (I use this setup for working from home too).

Left - LG 144Hz, IPS 27in 1440p
Right - LG 240Hz, OLED 27in 1440p

Edit - To piggyback off the OPs percentage better metric. I would say 25-30% better visuals at 250-300% of the cost with SDR material, and probably 50% better if it's truly HDR enabled material. I wouldn't quite say it's a night and day difference, but it's absolutely a noticeable one! For my specific usage, the bump to true HDR and VRR for my PS5 gaming and simplifying my audio connections was a large deciding factor on the value proposition. Would I pay $1000 (MSRP + tax) for the upgrade, no, but clearly I was in at $590.

 
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CakeMonster

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I've yet to try a large OLED, I don't doubt the contrast advantage thought. Would you say that it handles reflections worse or better than IPS when there's lots of other light sources? Are the reflections more annoying when the blacks are blacker? Still looking for a 4K IPS because of burn-in with regards to my use, but this will be an issue in the future regardless.

BTW, does anyone know how DSC works with regards to your display connection? Does it always max out the available bandwidth? Will it use more if you have UHBR20 (DP2.1 full) over UHBR13 over UHBR10 (HDMI2.1) over HBR3 (DP1.4) over HBR2 (DP 1.2/HDMI 1.4)?
 

lakedude

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Would you say that it handles reflections worse or better than IPS when there's lots of other light sources? Are the reflections more annoying when the blacks are blacker?
IMHO this is not an OLED vs IPS thing but a glossy vs matte thing.

We were recently at Best Buy and the matte finish Samsung OLED was my favorite by far but it was $3k so it is still sitting there at BB.
 
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Golgatha

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IMHO this is not an OLED vs IPS thing but a glossy vs matte thing.

We were recently at Best Buy and the matte finish Samsung OLED was my favorite by far but it was $3k so it is still sitting there at BB.
I'd have to agree, it's a glossy vs matte finish thing. The LG OLED I have has a matte finish and it handles reflections really really well.
 

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OLED imo is the best available display tech. It’s not perfect, but nothing comes close to it. The infinite contrast and response times make it the best gaming experience. They’ve also been getting brighter and brighter every year, gobbling away at the brightness advantage of LCD.

Modern OLED TVs are plenty bright. Just make sure to get a glossy panel, matte finish really hinders OLED’s ability to ‘pop’.
 
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Muadib

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OLED imo is the best available display tech. It’s not perfect, but nothing comes close to it. The infinite contrast and response times make it the best gaming experience. They’ve also been getting brighter and brighter every year, gobbling away at the brightness advantage of LCD.

Modern OLED TVs are plenty bright. Just make sure to get a glossy panel, matte finish really hinders OLED’s ability to ‘pop’.
Have you seen a QD-OLED yet?
 

Grooveriding

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Have you seen a QD-OLED yet?
I’ve seen a few Samsung panels in the stores, yes. Large brightness increase and richer colours, from what I saw.

LG’s new layer on their G4 panels delivers a somewhat similar improvement. For a TV, I wouldn’t go Samsung, because of their stubborn lack of DV support.
 

Muadib

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I’ve seen a few Samsung panels in the stores, yes. Large brightness increase and richer colours, from what I saw.

LG’s new layer on their G4 panels delivers a somewhat similar improvement. For a TV, I wouldn’t go Samsung, because of their stubborn lack of DV support.
Try to see the Sony QD-OLED.
 
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CP5670

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The G4 is definitely brighter but my old CX gets plenty bright for me in a darkened room. I just switch on the Windows HDR with a keyboard macro whenever I want to game.
 

Golgatha

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After having this monitor for a while now, I have to say the difference from my IPS has gotten perceivably higher as I've been using it. I can't overstate how much better my experience playing my PS5 on it versus the old IPS panel as well; with VRR and full HDR support, it's a night and day type of difference.
 
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It is something your eyes get used to over time. For example, I used to use iPad Pro (mini LED) for months before I switched to Galaxy Tab, and I noticed the difference right away. Strangely looking at them side by side is not actually very helpful to distinguish them. It was only after my eyes were trained at one display for a while that I could notice the difference when switching to different display.

I wouldn't say one is better than the other necessarily. Both have pros and cons. For example I still do not like OLED's white.
 

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Considering one of those 34" OLED panels, but from what I hear, you aren't allowed to use the monitor as a computer monitor because it will break itself. You can't have a task bar, you can't have icons, you can't have a cool static wallpaper to showcase the nice colors, because all of that stuff will cause the monitor to break itself. You have to refresh pixels every 4 hours, otherwise the monitor will break itself. They say you can only play games or watch movi...scratch that. You aren't allowed to watch 16:9 content or any non-full screen content, like youtube (which I watch constantly) because this is considered literal monitor abuse and the monitor will break itself. You'll get bright sides and a dark center from youtube or 16:9 content wearing out the center pixels faster. Like a medium rare steak that looks different in the center than on the sides.
These 34" ultra wides are $650 right now, which isn't bad, but it does feel like a lot for a disposable unit. Each pixel is like a candle that burns itself out and you are terrified to use any of them in a non-uniform way.

Thoughts on that?
 
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Thoughts on that?
Who told you all those things? Yes, the pixels degrade over time and yes, if you are used to staring at your desktop a lot and using applications with fixed UI elements, OLED might be a bad idea if you don't like taking precautions. One of the things I do on my Samsung 27-inch OLED is to run any app with Admin privileges after every ten minutes or so. The UAC pop up causes the whole screen to change, thus the pixels are refreshed and then I just click NO and don't run the app. Or you can use some shortcut to run a screensaver.

I think image quality of an OLED, especially with HDR, is worth the small annoyance of keeping track of refreshing the screen from time to time. Of course, I do it because I'm paranoid and don't want an expensive screen getting ruined. I've read about people who use OLEDs just like normal displays and they haven't had any issues for years. Important thing is to let the display go into power saving mode after you are done using it. Then it will run its built in pixel refresher over the next few hours and this should prevent any long term damage to the pixels.

Or just do yourself a favor and get a mini-LED. It won't be the absolute best but it will be really, really close to OLED in terms of contrast ratio. I've seen ads of TCL mini-LED TVs hitting 3500 nits. Now THAT is crazy and probably won't ever be possible with OLEDs. For that kind of brightness in small highlights for HDR, I could see myself ditching OLED and choosing mini-LED.

I consume my youtube mostly on my mobile. The android Youtube app is a FAR better experience than using Youtube website in a browser. I get amazing recomendations in the app. Don't get anything even close like those recommendations in browser.
 
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Who told you all those things? Yes, the pixels degrade over time and yes, if you are used to staring at your desktop a lot and using applications with fixed UI elements, OLED might be a bad idea if you don't like taking precautions. One of the things I do on my Samsung 27-inch OLED is to run any app with Admin privileges after every ten minutes or so. The UAC pop up causes the whole screen to change, thus the pixels are refreshed and then I just click NO and don't run the app. Or you can use some shortcut to run a screensaver.

I think image quality of an OLED, especially with HDR, is worth the small annoyance of keeping track of refreshing the screen from time to time. Of course, I do it because I'm paranoid and don't want an expensive screen getting ruined. I've read about people who use OLEDs just like normal displays and they haven't had any issues for years. Important thing is to let the display go into power saving mode after you are done using it. Then it will run its built in pixel refresher over the next few hours and this should prevent any long term damage to the pixels.

Or just do yourself a favor and get a mini-LED. It won't be the absolute best but it will be really, really close to OLED in terms of contrast ratio. I've seen ads of TCL mini-LED TVs hitting 3500 nits. Now THAT is crazy and probably won't ever be possible with OLEDs. For that kind of brightness in small highlights for HDR, I could see myself ditching OLED and choosing mini-LED.

I consume my youtube mostly on my mobile. The android Youtube app is a FAR better experience than using Youtube website in a browser. I get amazing recomendations in the app. Don't get anything even close like the recommendations in browser.
I would add my LG OLED does some sort of "pixel cleaning" every time the computer is off, in sleep mode, or just hasn't been used for 3 hours (user adjustable). You could use it during all your waking hours and it would still get a chance to refresh itself and do its maintenance. Or, you know, just play a game every once in awhile on it. That definitely refreshes the pixels.
 

moonbogg

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Who told you all those things?

Monitors unboxed showed a line down the center after only 3 months of use, and he didn't use the monitor very often compared to most users. His use rate was something like 1800 hours per year where mine is closer to 3000 hours per year. Rtings showed an ultrawide that got absolutely destroyed by 16:9 content almost instantly. People blamed it on firmware, but that was nasty to see happen.
Rtings has an ongoing burn in test that shows big burn in on these QD oleds after 18 months.
Linus has older videos showing large OLED monitors getting destroyed in less than a year from being used as normal PC monitors.
Forums are filled with people sharing their care and maintenance routines, and they are ridiculous. No task bars or icons and no wallpapers? Must use dark themes and only consume full screen, uniform content? What?! Is this a PC monitor or isn't it?
The problem is in the name. These are called "monitors". They are used for the task of "monitor", which means, you leave it turned on so you can literally "monitor" what your computer is doing. If you use these for the task of "monitor", the device will destroy itself quickly.
Why do I care? Because I want the image quality of OLED but don't want the "monitor" to be a disposable unit. They should replace the plastic housings with high-density cardboard, like those disposable cameras at the grocery store because for people who use these as actual PC monitors, they are e-waste and should not give the impression of being a long term device.
I paid $1300 for my Asus PG348Q and am still using it now. It works like it did the day I bought it. Zero anxiety about leaving it turned on, using task bars or icons, watching youtube or 16:9 content, using wallpapers, using any theme I want, etc. OLED is in a special place right now where it is perfectly frustrating; it's almost ready for PC use but not quite.
 
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