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brycejones

Lifer
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You people are spitting in the wind. If they didn’t vote to remove last 2 times what makes ANYONE think they will do the right thing this time
I'm not sure anyone is saying they would do it. The original question was if it was possible to impeach him after the immunity ruling. The answer is that he can be impeached regardless of the immunity ruling but of course it is extremely unlikely.
 

NWRMidnight

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Well they've already stated that they're forming another "commission" to investigate the 2020 election.

So, the roadmap becomes very clear if you have any sense of imagination. National emergency + "we found fraud from 2020" = Trump is owed a third term. If he even wants to run again. If not, they can still suspend elections and install whomever.

Who's going to stop him?
It would be impossible without a constituional amendment, which there is no avenue that is realisticlly available for that to happen. So there is no owing anything to anyone, no matter what evidence they manufacture, I mean find in a new 2020 election investigation.
 

NWRMidnight

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"Impossible"

LOL
The only way it wouldn't be impossible if the constituion is ripped up and burned, which completely changes what I said, because that means we no longer have a constitution. Otherwise, it would be impossible for such and amendent to be ratified as it takes 3/4 of state legislations to vote for it, or 3/4 of the states thru a convention (citizens voting for it), and that is after the super majoirty required in both the house and senate to even start the process. That means it would require a lot of democrates to vote for it in Congress, and many blue state to vote for it. Term limits are something most citizens want, and they sure as hell do not want to increase term limits for any office. You are welcome to give some substance of reality, that such an amendment would be possible.
 

gothuevos

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The only way it wouldn't be impossible if the constituion is ripped up and burned, which completely changes what I said, because that means we no longer have a constitution. Otherwise, it would be impossible for such and amendent to be ratified as it takes 3/4 of state legislations to vote for it, or 3/4 of the states thru a convention (citizens voting for it), and that is after the super majoirty required in both the house and senate to even start the process. That means it would require a lot of democrates to vote for it in Congress, and many blue state to vote for it. Term limits are something most citizens want, and they sure as hell do not want to increase term limits for any office. You are welcome to give some substance of reality, that such an amendment would be possible.

Again, your mindset is still stuck on the old rules and norms.

What if he says it's a national emergency, I have emergency powers, and I am until further notice suspending the Constitution?

Who's going to say, "No, you can't do that." Who's even left anymore?
 
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NWRMidnight

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Again, your mindset is still stuck on the old rules and norms.

What if he says it's a national emergency, I have emergency powers, and I am until further notice suspending the Constitution?

Who's going to say, "No, you can't do that." Who's even left anymore?
Do you have a reading disability, a comprehension disablity, or both? Please go read what I said again, as you "substance of reality" reponse, changes what I said compeletely, which changes the argument that I made. What you are talking about is how a dictatory ship is put in place perminatly, IF that person had full support of the military, aka the same as ripping up and burning the constituion, which is changing the context of what I said, aka a different argument. So again, in the context of what I said, how can an amendment to change term limits, be realistically a possibility within the confines of our constition? (hint: it's not possible.) You can't say it's possible, by taking the constituion out of the argument, which is the very document I am talking about being impossible to amend with such an amendment, as it is what sets term limits.

edit: BTW, if the consitution, the very document that created the office of POTUS, and gives the President his/her authority, was suspended, that person would no longer be the POTUS, essentially quilivilent to resigning. Meaning he no longer has the authority to give orders to the military, or any authority at all, as all of his authority comes from the constitution.
 
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UNCjigga

Lifer
Dec 12, 2000
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Hey all you average Joes who voted for Trump and were told Project 2025 won't happen. Trump judge just killed overtime for 4 million workers.
“But..but..but, you ran ads promising we wouldn’t have to pay taxes on overtime pay!”

Exactly…because there is NO overtime pay!!!
 

trenchfoot

Lifer
Aug 5, 2000
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“But..but..but, you ran ads promising we wouldn’t have to pay taxes on overtime pay!”

Exactly…because there is NO overtime pay!!!

This is exactly the kind of news that your average FOXfreak will never ever get wind of. They are kept ignorant and clueless and they seem to like it like that, probably due to the extra effort it takes to flip channels on their remotes to see what Trump is really up to. Much better to get their daily overdose of FOXshit, proving once again that for the "normal" dumbed down conservative, ignorance really is bliss. Their leaders love it, they're LOL'ing at how easy it is to con millions upon millions of suckers by simply tapping into their base emotions and really screwing things up in their heads.

Boggles the mind that these folks willingly put their faith and trust in a notorious pathological liar thinking his lies and self-interested conniving isn't going to affect them personally.

Meh, even if Trump more than likely hurts his own voters, they'll not give a fuck about any of it because they certainly won't be made aware of it by the crooks they voted for, nor will they make an effort to find out what's really going on when their sole source of news from FOX is keeping them on that stuck on stupid drug they've been mainlining.
 
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ch33zw1z

Lifer
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Do you have a reading disability, a comprehension disablity, or both? Please go read what I said again, as you "substance of reality" reponse, changes what I said compeletely, which changes the argument that I made. What you are talking about is how a dictatory ship is put in place perminatly, IF that person had full support of the military, aka the same as ripping up and burning the constituion, which is changing the context of what I said, aka a different argument. So again, in the context of what I said, how can an amendment to change term limits, be realistically a possibility within the confines of our constition? (hint: it's not possible.) You can't say it's possible, by taking the constituion out of the argument, which is the very document I am talking about being impossible to amend with such an amendment, as it is what sets term limits.

edit: BTW, if the consitution, the very document that created the office of POTUS, and gives the President his/her authority, was suspended, that person would no longer be the POTUS, essentially quilivilent to resigning. Meaning he no longer has the authority to give orders to the military, or any authority at all, as all of his authority comes from the constitution.

Now you’re starting to get it

 

pmv

Lifer
May 30, 2008
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Now you’re starting to get it




Traditionally, the German military had sworn an oath of allegiance to the Kaiser. This changed after Germany's defeat in World War I and the establishment of a democratic government, the Weimar Republic, in Germany.

The political leaders of the new Weimar Republic sought to democratize the military by changing its social makeup and by changing the oath of allegiance. The new oath required soldiers to swear loyalty to the Weimar Constitution and its institutions, including the office of the Reich President, rather than to any individual.

The Weimar government also viewed the military as a potential threat. Much of the military's conservative leadership did not support the new Republic, and Weimar officials hoped that the oath would help provide legitimacy and security.

For many career soldiers, however, the idea of swearing an oath to a constitution was disconcerting.

Following Hitler's appointment as Chancellor in 1933, the military oath changed again, although soldiers were required to swear loyalty to their people and country (“Volk und Vaterland”), rather to individual leaders. All this changed with the death of German President Paul von Hindenburg on August 2, 1934. At this time, Adolf Hitler began to solidify his control over Germany. That same day, all military personnel in Germany swore a new oath of allegiance. The oath was no longer one of allegiance to the Constitution or its institutions, but one of binding loyalty to Hitler himself:
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
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It’s fine, I’m sure these people who totally fervently claim to love the U.S. will 100% not do anything fascist.
 

NWRMidnight

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Now you’re starting to get it

The generals don't matter, it's the actual soldiers who have to be willing to be loyal to Trump, which is where the his problem lies, as most won't just follow orders to go after US citizens blindly, and hopefully that is our saving grace. My son is in the US armed forces, so I know that such loyaltiy in that regards, isn't highly present thru out the ranks. Our solders gave an oath to the constitution, not Trump or any other person. as for "starting to get it" I already got it long ago. The constitution is the only thing that dictates term limits, and the only way to change that is thru an amendment. To imply anything else, means we are no longer governed by the constitution, and term limits would't exist for Trump to have a third one.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
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The generals don't matter, it's the actual soldiers who have to be willing to be loyal to Trump, which is where the his problem lies, as most won't just follow orders to go after US citizens blindly, and hopefully that is our saving grace. My son is in the US armed forces, so I know that such loyaltiy in that regards, isn't highly present thru out the ranks. Our solders gave an oath to the constitution, not Trump or any other person. as for "starting to get it" I already got it long ago. The constitution is the only thing that dictates term limits, and the only way to change that is thru an amendment. To imply anything else, means we are no longer governed by the constitution, and term limits would't exist for Trump to have a third one.

youre ignoring the propaganda machine that is the GOP and its effects on people’s reality. You’re also discounting a large portion of Americans who simply live in an alternate reality, many of those are actively in the military.

Look, you may think the U.S. will withstand the uprising of fascism, and I really hope that happens. But there is a very good chance that we do not. Plan for it, the GOP has abandoned democracy.
 

[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
Dec 15, 2015
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The only way it wouldn't be impossible if the constituion is ripped up and burned, which completely changes what I said, because that means we no longer have a constitution. Otherwise, it would be impossible for such and amendent to be ratified as it takes 3/4 of state legislations to vote for it, or 3/4 of the states thru a convention (citizens voting for it), and that is after the super majoirty required in both the house and senate to even start the process. That means it would require a lot of democrates to vote for it in Congress, and many blue state to vote for it. Term limits are something most citizens want, and they sure as hell do not want to increase term limits for any office. You are welcome to give some substance of reality, that such an amendment would be possible.
Constitution only matters if it's enforced. The presumption is that anything 'illegal' done by trump won't be enforced, as he's intending on getting rid of everyone that would enforce it.
 

Pens1566

Lifer
Oct 11, 2005
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Do you have a reading disability, a comprehension disablity, or both? Please go read what I said again, as you "substance of reality" reponse, changes what I said compeletely, which changes the argument that I made. What you are talking about is how a dictatory ship is put in place perminatly, IF that person had full support of the military, aka the same as ripping up and burning the constituion, which is changing the context of what I said, aka a different argument. So again, in the context of what I said, how can an amendment to change term limits, be realistically a possibility within the confines of our constition? (hint: it's not possible.) You can't say it's possible, by taking the constituion out of the argument, which is the very document I am talking about being impossible to amend with such an amendment, as it is what sets term limits.

edit: BTW, if the consitution, the very document that created the office of POTUS, and gives the President his/her authority, was suspended, that person would no longer be the POTUS, essentially quilivilent to resigning. Meaning he no longer has the authority to give orders to the military, or any authority at all, as all of his authority comes from the constitution.

While the constitution hasn't yet been ripped up, a handful of sections/amendments have already been rendered useless because the norms we're used to have either been ignored, or annihilated by SCOTUS.

-14th, Sec 3
- Emoluments clause
- Originalists suggesting there is a complete presidential immunity implied (even though the founders were more than capable of explicitly granting w/speech and debate clause)

To suggest that other sections are somehow "safe" would be, IMHO, naive at best. They just haven't come up as a problem yet for those that will ignore/kill them.
 
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Indus

Lifer
May 11, 2002
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edit: BTW, if the consitution, the very document that created the office of POTUS, and gives the President his/her authority, was suspended, that person would no longer be the POTUS, essentially quilivilent to resigning. Meaning he no longer has the authority to give orders to the military, or any authority at all, as all of his authority comes from the constitution.

C'mon man.. you're not that naive.

Your stuff is perfectly 100% logical which is why it won't fly in the army of illogical Trumpers hell bent on "The Constitution is what Trump says it is".

Remember Pol Pot.. and how he tried to rid his country of any trace of logic, reason, foreign viewpoints?? We might be in that scenario and I don't see Mexico and Canada invading us like Vietnam did to "rescue" us anytime soon.
 

pmv

Lifer
May 30, 2008
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C'mon man.. you're not that naive.

Your stuff is perfectly 100% logical which is why it won't fly in the army of illogical Trumpers hell bent on "The Constitution is what Trump says it is".

Remember Pol Pot.. and how he tried to rid his country of any trace of logic, reason, foreign viewpoints?? We might be in that scenario and I don't see Mexico and Canada invading us like Vietnam did to "rescue" us anytime soon.


Or just remember Chile.

“I have absolute confidence in the loyalty of the armed forces,” Allende stated in an interview in the New York Times, March 28, 1971. “Our forces are professional forces at the service of the state, of the people.”
 

Pens1566

Lifer
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