Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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blankslate

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So you haven't been paying attention, shocker. Who the fuck cares about Lady G, we're talking about your pitiful attempt to misrepresent Bernie here, coward.
I am not misrepresenting Bernie. He called out Russians and yet many other politicians who clutch their pearls over any thing Russia did in attacking civilian infrastructure turning around to hug Netanyahu, which is his major point. That political hypocrisy is costing the U.S. influence with nations who not European allies.

Netanyahu, who even more than Putin makes it a point to call anyone who protests the IDF recording themselves callous over the killing of civilians racists against Jewish people. Putin has been less obvious.

As for Crayons mister ogre I'm not a Marine that's their thing.

It should also be noted that instead of acting to ensure the peace talks (how ever one may feel about Putin's sincerity they were underway once) the then PM of UK Boris Johnson traveled to the area and soon after the peace talks failed.

Had the U.S. government been more invested in seeing the ceasefire work it either would have ended up with less casualties or confirmation that the warmongers in the U.S. government had it right.


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jdubs03

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Better

The MIC has invested well. That's obvious by your reply.


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Lol. Your moniker suits your brain very well.

Tankies don’t ever criticize their preferred authoritarian leader. Based on your commentary you know what a tankie is. And you accept the fact that you are one.

There are things I can unequivocally reject and find reprehensible. Netanyahu and his extremist right-wing bloc are pieces of shit who should be run out of Tel Aviv as soon as possible. But I also can see that what was perpetrated on the Israeli people deserved retaliation on Hamas. The extent of the retaliation is what should be at issue.

That situation isn’t even remotely similar to the Russian full-scale invasion of Ukraine. Ukraine did nothing to provoke what happened in February 2022 and henceforth.
 

blankslate

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Here's a hint.

Do a search in your favorite search engine about right wingers in different countries only use the filters to favor stories from 2021 and prior.

maybe you'll open your eyes. if you choose not to that's your choice.

Or maybe you are right and CNN international is a tankie organization too.



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kage69

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Wtf are you talking about dude. This is a Russia-Ukraine thread. You’re bringing Gaza and Israel into this.

If you want to litigate the geopolitics of Israels’ (over)reaction go to the appropriate thread. It exists.

These useful idiots for Putin just keep trying to use Gaza to excuse Putin's genocide, it's kinda sad. He thinks agreements with Putin mean something! I don't think he cares that it exposes him as a soft headed moron. None of them do. Sad.
 
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kage69

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Russian detailing that the lack of EW systems for their assaults are resulting in massive losses and failures due to AFU FPV drones being everywhere. Says the Ukrainians don't even bother to fire their artillery at them.

https://bsky.app/profile/wartranslated.bsky.social/post/3lbow5tvjm223


Yeah it's crazy, Putin is trying for a new single day KIA record I think. Will they hit 3,000 orcs smoked in 24hrs? You can do it Vlad. I have faith in your contempt for Russian lives.

Part of it is Russians being hung out to dry by RUMoD, but I suspect it's also from the AFU using large numbers of AI guided drones now. They're saying the AI gives those drones an 80% kill rate. Thanks Palantir! Their software aggregating data for targeting is used by almost all AFU artillery units too, there just often isn't much left to shoot at once the drones are done.


Ah, found that article
 
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RnR_au

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Russian detailing that the lack of EW systems for their assaults are resulting in massive losses and failures due to AFU FPV drones being everywhere. Says the Ukrainians don't even bother to fire their artillery at them.

https://bsky.app/profile/wartranslated.bsky.social/post/3lbow5tvjm223
Oh wow... in that thread...



The Ukrainian k/d ratio must be much larger than 6:1 atm.

Edit: ahh... could be 7:1 or higher...

 

jdubs03

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Oh wow... in that thread...

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The Ukrainian k/d ratio must be much larger than 6:1 atm.

Edit: ahh... could be 7:1 or higher...

The more the merrier. The Orcs have a complete disregard for human life as we know. So good riddance.
 

Thump553

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It is good to remember and understand how complex the situation is and how it all arised into a war.

The Orange revolution, The Euromaiden revolution.
Europe also denying the complete EU membership of Ukraine at the time for reasons, but which reasons ?
Anyway,
  • The oligarchs of Ukraine and their strong political influence, local and over the borders.
  • The oligarchs of Russia and their strong political influence, local and over the borders.
The at least 3 presidents of Ukraine that do there best to make positive changes for the country over the last 20 years at least.






Every subject shown here is also available at the New York Times in various articles.
I'm curious-why didn't you include what I see as probably most significant, which is the post Soviet Union collapse negotiations between USA, Russia and Ukraine to remove nuclear weapons from Ukraine (it had a lot of USSR missile silos and equipped nuclear missiles. Those negotiations result in tri-party signed agreements to remove the nuclear weapons, destroy them (with USA and Russia actively participating in that destruction) and both Russia and US agreeing not to attack or invade Ukraine.
 
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Dave_5k

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I'm curious-why didn't you include what I see as probably most significant, which is the post Soviet Union collapse negotiations between USA, Russia and Ukraine to remove nuclear weapons from Ukraine (it had a lot of USSR missile silos and equipped nuclear missiles. Those negotiations result in tri-party signed agreements to remove the nuclear weapons, destroy them (with USA and Russia actively participating in that destruction) and both Russia and US agreeing not to attack or invade Ukraine.
The Budapest Memorandum signed by Russia, Ukraine, and the U.S. was far more comprehensive than that. In exchange for giving up nuclear weapons and signing the nuclear non-proliferation treaty, Ukraine was promised that Russia (and the U.S.) would, among other points:
1) Respect Ukraine's independence and sovereignty in the existing borders
2) And also refrain from the threat or use of force against Ukraine, and that none of their weapons would ever be used against Ukraine (this generically refers to any weapon, not just nuclear weapons)
3) And further refrain from any economic coercion against Ukraine

Unfortunately for Ukraine, the enforcement mechanisms had zero teeth. Russia of course tore up and burned the treaty almost before the ink was dry, just like they've done with every piece of paper they ever signed.

When called to the mat for their illegal invasion and seizure of Crimea back in 2014, Russia refused to even show up. And then Russia falsely claimed the Budapest Memorandum only required them to not use nukes on Ukraine, ignoring the plain text of the agreement.
 

kage69

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Speaking of that family of cruise missiles, StormShadow doesn't seem to give much of a shit about Russian AD.

That suspected underground command complex that got hit a couple days ago? Russian guy nearby with a phone recorded a lot of impacts, 12 I think. You don't send that many high end weapons at a target unless you are damn sure it's there. Russia lost a lot more brass with that strike I bet.

 
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Paratus

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Oh wow... in that thread...

View attachment 112120

The Ukrainian k/d ratio must be much larger than 6:1 atm.

Edit: ahh... could be 7:1 or higher...

So the Russians are basically Zapp Brannigan?
 

kage69

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Quite the productive raid just now by AFU drones, a double nut tap for Vlad. Sounds like they hit oil storage in Kaluga, but also the Tayfun factory complex there, which makes parts for Russian AD and artillery systems.


Great success I like
 
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RnR_au

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Came across this thread on bluesky.


It seems that significant portions of Russia's economy will go belly up at some point.
 

you2

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Came across this thread on bluesky.


It seems that significant portions of Russia's economy will go belly up at some point.
The question is can Ukraine hang on for another 18 months esp if Trump pulls out USA support.
 
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kage69

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AFAIK the Scandanavians, Balts and Poles have already been collaborating on their local plan to sustain Ukraine and preparing to defeat Russian aggression (in America's absence). Norway's got money, production. Fins and Swedes no slouches. UK and France will continue helping Ukraine, same for Germany who will also hit the gas on getting swoll once Merz wins office (looking like he will). How AFU is handling itself right now makes me think they might be ok, not that they don't need generators, winter gear, and vehicles, among many other things.

I'm more interested to see if Trump will realize/have it explained to him what needs to happen for America's best interest, or if he's going to help Putin kill NATO by allowing Russia to launch an attack on a NATO member and then make the US military do nothing.



"even a broken clock" vs. senile Cadet Bonespurs is a subservient, blackmailed little bitch



I don't like it. No sir, not one bit.
 

K1052

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There is a universe where the Euros actually decide a direct military confrontation is preferable to the many consequences of Ukraine's collapse no matter what Trump says/does. Now I don't think this is potentially the likeliest outcome but it's certainly a real one. Putin needs to wind down the war next year for a huge range of reasons not end up with the continent's Air Forces shoved up his ass.

https://bsky.app/profile/wartranslated.bsky.social/post/3lbrqann7y22i
 
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Pens1566

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There is a universe where the Euros actually decide a direct military confrontation is preferable to the many consequences of Ukraine's collapse no matter what Trump says/does. Now I don't think this is potentially the likeliest outcome but it's certainly a real one. Putin needs to wind down the war next year for a huge range of reasons not end up with the continent's Air Forces shoved up his ass.

https://bsky.app/profile/wartranslated.bsky.social/post/3lbrqann7y22i

Won't take much to talk Poland into it ...
 
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