Discussion Nvidia Blackwell in Q4-2024 ?

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marees

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So I took another shot at predicting Blackwell's performance (raster anyway)

5090 = 4090 + 70%
5080 = ~4090
5070 Ti = ~4080S + 10-15%
5070 = ~4070 Ti NS
5060 Ti = 4060 Ti (8 GB) + 15-20%
5060 = 4060 + 0-5%
They could just rebadge

4070 ti / 4070 ti super = 5070
4070 = 5060 ti
4060 ti 8gb = 5060
 
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lixlax

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Is there expected to be any major architecture or clock speed gains? Going by the rumored specs I don't see the next gen being more than 15-20% faster than Ada. The only exeption being 5090 with even bigger gap to the 2nd fastast than 4090 already had.
 

CP5670

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$1900 would be really good for the 5090, almost too good to be true if it's that powerful. I still expect street prices of at least $2500, the msrp has always been irrelevant for the 4090.
 

poke01

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Arch not really, clock speeds maybe. Do not that GB205 and GB207 getting decent sized SM cuts and GB203 and GB206 are basically the same.
Is there any reason why you think there won’t be arch improvements?

I mean we thought that with Ada and we got quite the arch improvements.
 

MoogleW

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Is there expected to be any major architecture or clock speed gains? Going by the rumored specs I don't see the next gen being more than 15-20% faster than Ada. The only exeption being 5090 with even bigger gap to the 2nd fastast than 4090 already had.
Possibly yes to meaningful architecture shift, maybe to clock gains according to rumors.

AGF seems to think there will be a change bigger than normal. We will see. Kopite is usually reserved and doesnt talk about such.

On the other hand, Nvidia has said nothing about the SM changes in HPC Blackwell, so maybe HPC Blackwell is more focused on the NVLink and cache improvements but otherwise retaining the Hopper design? Which surprisingly doesn't say much because HPC Ampere was Turing with larger caches and introducing large L2 cache while gaming Ampere had additional ALU changes in the SM so who says the same is not repeated again?
 
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Saylick

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Ehhh, I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s simply higher clocked + more shader cores with next generation tensor units, RT units, and optical flow accelerators. The new tensor units and OFA will allow Nvidia to further segment their software by only allowing the latest features to run on Blackwell GPUs.
 

ToTTenTranz

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They could still produce those big dies on older processes and fix what was wrong with their designs to eek out a bit more performance, rather than paying more for expensive leading edge processes and trying to do chiplets and the associated challenges of making them work as well as monolithic dies.

This actually bothers me quite a bit. By the time RDNA4 cards arrive on shelves, AMD will have spent 25 or more months with N31 cards out there.

They probably had more than enough time to fix whatever back-end issues that were keeping the chip from achieving its expected gaming clocks, possibly even to transition the GCD to N4 and gain even more performance and/or power efficiency.

The e.g. RX8900 XTX clocking at ~3GHz average would probably match the 4090 in rasterization performance on many games, and probably keep up with the 4070 Ti / Super in raytracing workloads.
That, plus a mid-cycle marketing push could have revitalized their dGPU sales completely.

But they chose to just lie down and die instead.
 

CP5670

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Yeah, and let's hope for bargain $2250 pricing for the 6090. /s
I mean if it's really 70% faster they could easily charge much more and all the potential buyers would still get it. The 4090 still goes for $2300+ right now, when it's about to be outclassed. Nvidia is just competing with themselves at this point.
 

poke01

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I mean if it's really 70% faster they could easily charge much more and all the potential buyers would still get it. The 4090 still goes for $2300+ right now, when it's about to be outclassed. Nvidia is just competing with themselves at this point.
Agree, 5090 can priced at over 2000 and it will sell. Because where is AMDs equivalent?
No where ….
 

Saylick

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I mean if it's really 70% faster they could easily charge much more and all the potential buyers would still get it. The 4090 still goes for $2300+ right now, when it's about to be outclassed. Nvidia is just competing with themselves at this point.
And by compete, Nvidia is just slotting higher performance brackets at higher price brackets.
Agree, 5090 can priced at over 2000 and it will sell. Because where is AMDs equivalent?
No where ….
Imo, it will sell because people are willing to pay the price for it, not because it has no competition.
 
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poke01

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Imo, it will sell because people are willing to pay the price for it, not because it has no competition.
It’s both. Where else do you get a GPU that has 32GB VRAM with a ~50%+ increase over the 4090?

If AMD had a card that was 10-15% slower than the 5090 but priced at $1400 that’s what you can call competition.
Boycott anyone?
the people who buy the 90 cards either are stupid rich or use for them work and play.

But this generation I’m definitely looking at Intel for the mid range.
 

tajoh111

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Boycott anyone?
Boycott if it was actually effective would only lead to worse products and ironically more expensive products.

When sales or revenue do not increase in a market with no competition, the other alternative to maximize profit is to cut costs like the CPU market has done for year. We have been at 8/16 cores for years and before that, 4 cores. When there is no competition, it simply does not make sense to absorb the very real increase in R and D cost and manufacturing when they are absolutely significant.

Would you rather have the rtx 5090 stay $1599 but have the core count stay at 16384? And high end products become professional products like threadripper like in price(10K)?

That's what happen to the GPU market.
 

poke01

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I’ll go and say it, the 5090 is actually decent for what your getting.

Look at the pricing of 750mm2 N4P die, it’s not cheap. Now add cooling, GDDR7, etc.
 

gdansk

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Would you rather have the rtx 5090 stay $1599 but have the core count stay at 16384?
Nah, I rather every thing else was shifted up too, not just GB202. GB203 should be 50% bigger than it is.

Do you think it is consumer friendly for the die sizes to jump from 380mm² to 744mm² with nothing in-between? Nope, that's bogus.
 
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poke01

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Do you think it is consumer friendly for the die sizes to jump from 380mm² to 744mm² with nothing in-between? Nope, that's bogus
This is no different from people waiting a 24 or 32 core from AMD from Ryzen but they are forced to buy Threadripper to get the extra cores.

Same applies here. To answer your question, no it’s not consumer friendly but that’s business.
 

CastleBravo

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I’ll go and say it, the 5090 is actually decent for what your getting.

Look at the pricing of 750mm2 N4P die, it’s not cheap. Now add cooling, GDDR7, etc.

At $2k, it wouldn't be that bad. Demand will probably make it $2500 street price. Tariffs might make it $3k+.
 

gdansk

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This is no different from people waiting a 24 or 32 core from AMD from Ryzen but they are forced to buy Threadripper to get the extra cores.

Same applies here. To answer your question, no it’s not consumer friendly but that’s business.
It's not equivalent. Namely that's a CPU. It also is slower than its Ryzen equivalents for anything except professional work so it is undesirable and AMD will never be able to convince people that's a good deal even if they priced it lower.

GB202 will be faster at everything. It will be easy to convince pay pigs to buy it. Look how good of a deal it is compared to GB203. Amazing! But if there was a reasonably sized intermediate between GB202 and 203 many would choose that instead. Nvidia makes sure to not have an option which is a new and more anti-consumer choice.

There is no reason except profiteering and lack of competition for the 370mm² gap between GB203 and GB202.
 

poke01

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It's not equivalent. Namely that's a CPU. It also is slower than its Ryzen equivalents for anything except professional work so it is undesirable and AMD will never be able to convince people that's a good deal even if they priced it lower.
But why does it cost thousands more?
AMD could easily make a 24/32 core Ryzen but they choose not too.

Instead AMD also wants to make profit from Threadripper sales. shocker
There is no reason except profiteering and lack of competition for the 370mm² gap between GB203 and GB202.
whose fault is that? Both consumers for buying such expensive cards and AMD/Intels for not competing and Nvidias as well for being a greedy pig.
 

jpiniero

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There is no reason except profiteering and lack of competition for the 370mm² gap between GB203 and GB202.

It's simple, and I've mentioned this before.

It should have been obvious that NV beefed up GB202 to chase AI markets... cards which will go for multiple times the 5090 goes for.
 
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