#TRUMPFLATION - everything that's gotten more expensive under Trump!

Fanatical Meat · Sunday at 3:24 PM

pmv said:
One can make the maths come out so as to make that less mad.

21% of those polled _didn't_ have lower prices as a high priority.
That could account for 21 points of the 52% who favour tariffs.

The remaining 31% might overlap with the 18% who think (bizarrely) that tariffs would lower prices - leaving only 13% who believe completely incompatible things.

Maybe I am in that group.
I feel I need to be careful because it’s easy to misunderstand.
I feel some tariffs are needed, I do not believe that will magically lower prices but it will give US industries a chance and that should lead to less dependence upon China who is not a friend plus add some manufacturing jobs the US has been lacking for decades.
I don’t feel the president elect was completely wrong about tariffs, I do feel the point of his tariffs were to punish people he didn’t like and there was no strategy or point to them other than make Trump feel good about himself.
Provided there is a plan and a point to tariffs I do not believe they are a bad idea.

K1052 · Sunday at 3:47 PM

Fanatical Meat said:
I feel some tariffs are needed, I do not believe that will magically lower prices but it will give US industries a chance and that should lead to less dependence upon China who is not a friend plus add some manufacturing jobs the US has been lacking for decades.

Americans hate price increases for any reason and are most certainly not willing to pay more for American made products. China is only the third largest US trade partner behind Mexico and Canada.

Fanatical Meat said:
I don’t feel the president elect was completely wrong about tariffs, I do feel the point of his tariffs were to punish people he didn’t like and there was no strategy or point to them other than make Trump feel good about himself.

Tariffs will solve all problems according to him. High prices? Tarrifs. Unemployment? Tarrifs. Lung cancer? Tarrifs.

Fanatical Meat said:
Provided there is a plan and a point to tariffs I do not believe they are a bad idea.

They generally fail to do anything but raise prices and invite retaliation that is damaging to currently viable businesses.

yottabit · Sunday at 6:39 PM

Fanatical Meat said:
Maybe I am in that group.
I feel I need to be careful because it’s easy to misunderstand.
I feel some tariffs are needed, I do not believe that will magically lower prices but it will give US industries a chance and that should lead to less dependence upon China who is not a friend plus add some manufacturing jobs the US has been lacking for decades.
I don’t feel the president elect was completely wrong about tariffs, I do feel the point of his tariffs were to punish people he didn’t like and there was no strategy or point to them other than make Trump feel good about himself.
Provided there is a plan and a point to tariffs I do not believe they are a bad idea.

I think people will be surprised to see how highly automated any manufacturing that returns will be.

You’ll be looking at a large array of robotic work cells for the most part

It’s still good for the health of the country to be less dependent for crucial supply chain needs but… I doubt it will create many well paying jobs

Fanatical Meat · Sunday at 6:58 PM

yottabit said:
I think people will be surprised to see how highly automated any manufacturing that returns will be.

You’ll be looking at a large array of robotic work cells for the most part

It’s still good for the health of the country to be less dependent for crucial supply chain needs but… I doubt it will create many well paying jobs

Fair enough I simply am not a fan of doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. That’s the key point from above. Tariffs need to have a stated goal and the progress or lack of progress should be known.

Dave_5k · Sunday at 7:00 PM

yottabit said:
I think people will be surprised to see how highly automated any manufacturing that returns will be.

You’ll be looking at a large array of robotic work cells for the most part

It’s still good for the health of the country to be less dependent for crucial supply chain needs but… I doubt it will create many well paying jobs

Somebody has to maintain all those robots (at least for now, they aren't yet self-repairing). But yeah, its a double handful of guys to monitor and maintain the facility, not hundreds or thousands of line jobs like the old days.

trenchfoot · Monday at 12:20 AM

brycejones said:
$.05 a gallon like it was in gandpappy’s day

I used to pay $.32/gal. for leaded 102 octane at this delivery company that didn't mind the public buying gas from them in the late 60's - early 70's until OPEC decided to embargo the USA. Didn't hurt at all running my hotrods getting 7-9 mi./gal. up 'til then.

pmv · Monday at 5:05 AM

Fanatical Meat said:
Maybe I am in that group.
I feel I need to be careful because it’s easy to misunderstand.
I feel some tariffs are needed, I do not believe that will magically lower prices but it will give US industries a chance and that should lead to less dependence upon China who is not a friend plus add some manufacturing jobs the US has been lacking for decades.
I don’t feel the president elect was completely wrong about tariffs, I do feel the point of his tariffs were to punish people he didn’t like and there was no strategy or point to them other than make Trump feel good about himself.
Provided there is a plan and a point to tariffs I do not believe they are a bad idea.

Perhaps there are some upsides to tariffs (e.g. 'give US industries a chance') but it's pretty obvious it will lead to inflation in at least the short-to-medium term. So it seems incompatible with saying that 'reducing high prices' is one's 'top priority' as nearly 8/10 surveyed said.

zinfamous · Monday at 7:51 AM

nickqt said:
Gas prices are a pretty useful explainer for how fucking stupid the average dipshit American bitching about gas prices is.

1. The reason US Gas prices have remained almost the same over the past 20+ years is due to GOVERNMENT SOCIALISM (subsidies). Yet ask the average dipshit who can't define socialism, and they say they fucking hate it. PRICE CONTROL BAD! CAPITALISM IS FREEDOM!

2. People say they love capitalism because it's freedom or whatever, and yet when the free market makes the price of gas go up a few percent for any number of reasons, people scream about it and demand that politicians use the government to make gas cheaper, like price controls, which those same people say they hate because it's against their freedom.

At some point, Democrats need to break the news to the average dipshit American that we either let gas prices be determined by the free market which they'll fucking hate, or they need to figure out why they believe capitalism and freedom is the same thing. This circle of stupidity where a large portion of Americans believe gas should cost under $3 a gallon forever, without knowing why it basically costs less than that given inflation over the past 40 years, is a god damn mind killer.

If the average voter can't understand gas prices and government subsidies, how can we expect them to understand complicated things like core inflation and how a global economy works?

A power point presentation probably wouldn't help, but for the love of fuck, someone has to start teaching basic shit to the American voter or we're stuck forever electing morons who promise everything and only ever deliver a kick to the crotch.

this madness is only possible in the type of brain that is fundamentally religious: whatever you can believe, is whatever is true. It's really that simple, and it's why the GOP started trapping the brains of evangelicals so many decades ago.

It's why this country can't do anything for anyone anymore--these fucking idiots have too much control over the levers of power, and they simply don't know anything. They were intentionally trapped within childhood stupidity their entire lives, believing only that expert=bad, education is for communists, and their version of jesus = good.

The GOP did this. They can all get fucked.

QueBert · Monday at 8:20 PM

pmv said:
Perhaps there are some upsides to tariffs (e.g. 'give US industries a chance') but it's pretty obvious it will lead to inflation in at least the short-to-medium term. So it seems incompatible with saying that 'reducing high prices' is one's 'top priority' as nearly 8/10 surveyed said.

Incompatible is a requirement to be a MAGA. They have zero clue how tariffs work, but they believe Trump wants to help them, so they believe this has to be a good idea. I don't have a deep grasp of them myself, but unlike them, I understand I only know the basics. In MAGA land these tariffs are going to lower prices for everything and bring all the jobs back to America. In their child like view of the world and child like understanding it's needed to save the country from the evil Dems. When shit goes up in price they'll be forced to see how wrong they were.

I'm planning to buy some wheels for my car around summer, and of course they're made in China. So depending if Trump actually jumps on these Tarrifs, which I'm sure he will. I don't doubt I could end up paying over $2000, they're $1450 right now.

MomentsofSanity · Monday at 8:24 PM

Well, things are going swell and he’s not even in office yet. 25% tariffs to Mexico and Canada? I’ll say it again… you guys are fucked.

Pens1566 · Monday at 8:37 PM

Can't wait to see the impact on starbucks. Good luck with that one ...

K1052 · Monday at 9:19 PM

MomentsofSanity said:
Well, things are going swell and he’s not even in office yet. 25% tariffs to Mexico and Canada? I’ll say it again… you guys are fucked.

A lot of our imported oil comes from Canada lol.

eelw · Monday at 9:20 PM

Like how many migrants cross into the US from Canada? There are more migrants entering into Canada from the US. Illegal crossing? Loollllllll how much is a 5,500 mile wall going to cost?

Indus · Monday at 9:38 PM

eelw said:
Like how many migrants cross into the US from Canada? There are more migrants entering into Canada from the US. Illegal crossing? Loollllllll how much is a 5,500 mile wall going to cost?

Actually no.. that was the case before but since Canada's breakdown since a few months ago.. we're getting a lot more coming here.

I know for a fact that the numbers are really high for "Indians" that have given up on Canada and entered the US.. most of them settling up in New York. We don't see about them on the news because they aren't exactly shacking up in hotels but instead sleep 6-10 in an apartments and try and find work while staying out of trouble from the law.

Guess they're working overtime to show "they're the right type of immigrant"

MomentsofSanity · Monday at 9:43 PM

K1052 said:
A lot of our imported oil comes from Canada lol.

Oil, cement/minerals, automobiles, machinery, wood products. Not that any of that is important though.

eelw · Monday at 9:52 PM

Indus said:
Actually no.. that was the case before but since Canada's breakdown since a few months ago.. we're getting a lot more coming here.

I know for a fact that the numbers are really high for "Indians" that have given up on Canada and entered the US.. most of them settling up in New York. We don't see about them on the news because they aren't exactly shacking up in hotels but instead sleep 6-10 in an apartments and try and find work while staying out of trouble from the law.

Guess they're working overtime to show "they're the right type of immigrant"

But these Canadian visa applicants dumbly falling for that scheme to cross into the US, it helps Canada get rid of some. But at less than 15,000 total, it’s not an issue compared to your southern border.

WelshBloke · Monday at 10:04 PM

K1052 said:
Do any of you have pre-existing conditions?

I read something the other day and it triggered thoughts about this and apologies if it was here that I read it.

The US insurance companies have done a fantastic job of normalising the phrase "preexisting conditions" as if it's an unusual thing people have. In the rest of the world preexisting conditions are just your medical history and it's considered a vital bit of information in your treatment!

brycejones · Monday at 10:18 PM

WelshBloke said:
I read something the other day and it triggered thoughts about this and apologies if it was here that I read it.

The US insurance companies have done a fantastic job of normalising the phrase "preexisting conditions" as if it's an unusual thing people have. In the rest of the world preexisting conditions are just your medical history and it's considered a vital bit of information in your treatment!

See America is so exceptional

MtnMan · 2024-11-26T00:01:28-0500

So after Trumps announcement today (Monday 11/15/24) here are the things that are going to go up 25% that we import from Mexico.
The short list is basically fucking everything

What does the U.S. import from Mexico? A whole lot

With Mexico now the U.S.' top trading partner, the proposed tariffs would hit everything from avocados to autos

www.cbsnews.com

And what we don't get from Mexico, we also get from Canada, which will also cost 25% more next year.

Canada’s Top 100 Imported Consumer Products – Imported Consumer Products

importedconsumerproducts.com

These two countries are the two largest exporters of goods into the US.

Of course, billionaires don't care if a fucking salad at McDonald's costs $25, or a Kids' meal with 4 chicken nuggets costs $18.

Recession my March, full on depression by summer.

Punch a fucking republican in his stupid fucking face at every opportunity as a thank you!

Indus · 2024-11-26T00:26:54-0500

MtnMan said:
So after Trumps announcement today (Monday 11/15/24) here are the things that are going to go up 25% that we import from Mexico.
The short list is basically fucking everything

What does the U.S. import from Mexico? A whole lot

With Mexico now the U.S.' top trading partner, the proposed tariffs would hit everything from avocados to autos

www.cbsnews.com

And what we don't get from Mexico, we also get from Canada, which will also cost 25% more next year.

Canada’s Top 100 Imported Consumer Products – Imported Consumer Products

importedconsumerproducts.com

These two countries are the two largest exporters of goods into the US.

Of course, billionaires don't care if a fucking salad at McDonald's costs $25, or a Kids' meal with 4 chicken nuggets costs $18.

Recession my March, full on depression by summer.

Punch a fucking republican in his stupid fucking face at every opportunity as a thank you!

Have you thought this is exactly what they want?

They've made the bet a weaker, terrible economy is good for them as all the migrants and the smart people will leave and they will have their white dumbasses only country for them to rule!

Remember we used to make fun of Russia for braindrain.. this is their goal.. to kick them out!

BTW the layoffs are already happening even though no word on the news.. https://intellizence.com/insights/layoff-downsizing/major-companies-that-announced-mass-layoffs/

You know how they modeled themselves after Orban and Hungary?? That's exactly what happened.. the braindrain of the brightest and migrants left no one to oppose Orban.

QueBert · 2024-11-26T00:27:23-0500

MtnMan said:
So after Trumps announcement today (Monday 11/15/24) here are the things that are going to go up 25% that we import from Mexico.
The short list is basically fucking everything

What does the U.S. import from Mexico? A whole lot

With Mexico now the U.S.' top trading partner, the proposed tariffs would hit everything from avocados to autos

www.cbsnews.com

And what we don't get from Mexico, we also get from Canada, which will also cost 25% more next year.

Canada’s Top 100 Imported Consumer Products – Imported Consumer Products

importedconsumerproducts.com

These two countries are the two largest exporters of goods into the US.

Of course, billionaires don't care if a fucking salad at McDonald's costs $25, or a Kids' meal with 4 chicken nuggets costs $18.

Recession my March, full on depression by summer.

Punch a fucking republican in his stupid fucking face at every opportunity as a thank you!

But but but, those tariffs will bring jobs back to America where they belong! Of course, American workers will make whole lot more than people in Mexico, so American made things will end up being even more expensive than shit from Mexico with this 25% tariff. So even if the jobs do return, which they mostly won't. All the MAGAs bitching about how they can barely survive thanks to Bidenomics will end up being worse off.

And a news flash for them, this isn't the 50s, 60s, 70s, or 80s. Most products made in America don't have the same American quality and prideful workers they did back then. So we'll be paying more for stuff that's not even better than the cheap shit from Mexico and China. The Dollar Tree will either go out of business, or be renamed to the Five Dollar tree. Everyone who believes Bidenomics is hardship, will be fucking crying tears within a year.

MtnMan · 2024-11-26T01:08:14-0500

But eggs will be cheaper... till the producers go bankrupt.

The US exports far more eggs than it imports, and other markets are going to react by placing tariffs on US goods, causing many farmers to go under because they can't sell their product for a profit. But for a few months, eggs will be dirt cheap.

alien42 · 2024-11-26T01:56:35-0500

MtnMan said:
So after Trumps announcement today (Monday 11/15/24) here are the things that are going to go up 25% that we import from Mexico.
The short list is basically fucking everything

What does the U.S. import from Mexico? A whole lot

With Mexico now the U.S.' top trading partner, the proposed tariffs would hit everything from avocados to autos

www.cbsnews.com

And what we don't get from Mexico, we also get from Canada, which will also cost 25% more next year.

Canada’s Top 100 Imported Consumer Products – Imported Consumer Products

importedconsumerproducts.com

These two countries are the two largest exporters of goods into the US.

Of course, billionaires don't care if a fucking salad at McDonald's costs $25, or a Kids' meal with 4 chicken nuggets costs $18.

Recession my March, full on depression by summer.

Punch a fucking republican in his stupid fucking face at every opportunity as a thank you!

I just noticed when folding my laundry that my Levi's were made in Mexico. In fact, all Levi's have been made outside the US since 2016.

RalphTheCow · 2024-11-26T06:25:45-0500

Most economists said tariffs were stupid. Therefore Trump voters are stupid. They voted for him supposedly to make things better economically? Yeah, nice going. Simultaneously trashing the economy, the government, the rule of law, etc. Pretty high price for owning the libs.

Trying to think back on how much we hated GW Bush by comparison …. The Chicks sure did!

zinfamous · 2024-11-26T08:14:49-0500

MomentsofSanity said:
Well, things are going swell and he’s not even in office yet. 25% tariffs to Mexico and Canada? I’ll say it again… you guys are fucked.

estimated to cost each household $1200 per year, just on these tariffs.

Thanks, fucking Trump cvnts! I hope you all get sick and die early.

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