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Got it from a small shop from a city about two hours away. The guy delivered it next morning, like he was afraid I would cancel the order or something. Tray CPU. Don't know if that dark area is normal. Gonna hate it if there's a problem.

Didn't really need it. Just wanted to mess with Arrow Lake. Mobo supposed to be arriving on 26th.
 

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Got it from a small shop from a city about two hours away. The guy delivered it next morning, like he was afraid I would cancel the order or something. Tray CPU. Don't know if that dark area is normal. Gonna hate it if there's a problem.

Didn't really need it. Just wanted to mess with Arrow Lake. Mobo supposed to be arriving on 26th.
It’s a KF do you have a spare GPU?
 
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It’s a KF do you have a spare GPU?
Yeah. Aorus RX 6800. Gonna decommission the 12700K for a while (until the rumored Bartlett Lake is out).

I asked him for 245K but he didn't have it available. The voice in my head said, cancel cancel cancel. But then I decided to give the little guy a chance. He showed me some nano review crap where the 245KF is supposedly better in multicore. Pretty sure that's crap. But at least with Alder Lake, KF CPUs would OC a bit better. Dunno how things change with TSMC silicon.
 
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Will try tonight or maybe tomorrow to setup the 245KF.

If anyone with Zen 3 or 12700K wants to see how it does in their favorite benchmark, let me know. Cinebenches are wayyyyy down on my priority list though since they take too long to run. And I probably won't be able to run any games (the idea of downloading 10+ gigabytes just for a benchmark run does not sound appealing to me, even if I already have the game in my library).
 

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Wow, this is almost a $200 saving on a 265K and motherboard, that is honestly a great deal. I wonder why we do not get such deals in Europe.
It's an in-store only Micro Center deal. Many in the US don't have access to these MC specials. They've only got like 30 retail locations. I feel kind of bad sometimes when I post screenshots of these crazy MC deals because I don't want to rub it in peoples faces. I'm fortunate to have an MC a few minutes from my office.
 
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It's an in-store only Micro Center deal. Many in the US don't have access to these MC specials. They've only got like 30 retail locations. I feel kind of bad sometimes when I post screenshots of these crazy MC deals because I don't want to rub it in peoples faces. I'm fortunate to have an MC a few minutes from my office.
Yes, the Northwest US is totally void of these stores. Its over 1000 miles to one. In the east everything is much closer. From Columbus Ohio to the east coast is only 500 miles in comparison.
 
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It's an in-store only Micro Center deal. Many in the US don't have access to these MC specials. They've only got like 30 retail locations. I feel kind of bad sometimes when I post screenshots of these crazy MC deals because I don't want to rub it in peoples faces. I'm fortunate to have
an MC a few minutes from my office.

Right on - but on the topic of that deal, its solid but really interesting they aren't offering even 1 "standard" bundle that would be positioned against their 12/14 gen bundles which aren't terrible - think $260 for a 12600KF/DDR4 bundle up to a $400 12900k/DDR5 bundle. Even one "standard" bundle would show up on their bundles page and I've not seen this get that much attention in their emails. It's like they want a bundle but can't/won't give it the star treatment you'd expect.

I see it's at least listed on the bundle page now, and at the top. It's been moving around.


I guess the boards are fair values, especially with the discount. Conceivably you could get a $110 board to go with it. Probably creeping to $150 to get ATX board I'd be cool with having around for a while. For the Z series board with the bells and whistles pretty solid, too bad its just not that interesting from a performance perspective. Just not quite good enough to pursue vs the 12900K bundle @ $400 that includes ram, imo.
 
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Right on - but on the topic of that deal, its solid but really interesting they aren't offering even 1 "standard" bundle that would be positioned against their 12/14 gen bundles which aren't terrible - think $260 for a 12600KF/DDR4 bundle up to a $400 12900k/DDR5 bundle. Even one "standard" bundle would show up on their bundles page and I've not seen this get that much attention in their emails. It's like they want a bundle but can't/won't give it the star treatment you'd expect.

I see it's at least listed on the bundle page now, and at the top. It's been moving around.


I guess the boards are fair values, especially with the discount. Conceivably you could get a $110 board to go with it. Probably creeping to $150 to get ATX board I'd be cool with having around for a while. For the Z series board with the bells and whistles pretty solid, too bad its just not that interesting from a performance perspective. Just not quite good enough to pursue vs the 12900K bundle @ $400 that includes ram, imo.
I actually just noticed this deal right before I posted it. Has it been around for a while? I haven't been paying much attention to Intel deals after the raptor debacle to be honest. Here's how it compares to the individual prices on the 14700K bundle components:


Normal Prices from MC are:
14700K $320
z790 Prime $180
Ripjaws S5 32GB 6000 C36 $100

The Z890 $70 discount is a bit better than you do on the RAM/Mobo in the 14700K bundle as is the CPU discount. The 12th gen bundles are sold out at my store so I don't have a price breakdown. Usually the CPU sees the biggest discount when bundles are broken down this way. The board/RAM price is pretty much always discounted by like $50 or so in a bundle. I was assuming they didn't do this as a standard bundle because the Z890 aren't selling, and they want to move boards that are sitting on shelves. Expensive XMP memory kits are likely pilling up and they probably figure this a good way to get them moved as well.
 
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I was assuming they didn't do this as a standard bundle because the Z890 aren't selling, and they want to move boards that are sitting on shelves. Expensive XMP memory kits are likely pilling up and they probably figure this a good way to get them moved as well.
Really expensive mistake by Intel to not give some review kits to reviewers roughly 3 months in advance under NDA to get feedback from them regarding any issues. Maybe then the launch issues could've been prevented. Even if they get a performance uplift now, the damage has been done. A lot of people have moved on and upgraded already after waiting for months for Arrow Lake.
 
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Really expensive mistake by Intel to not give some review kits to reviewers roughly 3 months in advance under NDA to get feedback from them regarding any issues. Maybe then the launch issues could've been prevented. Even if they get a performance uplift now, the damage has been done. A lot of people have moved on and upgraded already after waiting for months for Arrow Lake.
It's been a pretty disastrous year for Intel on the desktop. This launch really needed to be better for them. I often wonder why Intel and AMD aren't working with the HUB's/GN's of the world well before product releases. It seems like a great way to find issues and get a feel for the market response to pricing. These companies always seem blindsided by negative reviewer feedback on pricing and performance. It seems like they could better position themselves to the market reality if they got this feedback sooner from reviewers since for whatever reason their marketing people can't figure out how reviewers, and by extension customers, will react to their pricing and performance claims.

AMD seems to have rebounded pretty well from bad Zen 4 and 5 initial launches. It sure seems like this could have been worse for intel. If AMD had launched vanilla and X3D at the same time Intel would have been in an even worse position. Especially if AMD cleaned up the performance claims and set better pricing on vanilla SKUs before release. They could have avoided all the negative initial reaction to Zen 5.
 

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Yes, the Northwest US is totally void of these stores. Its over 1000 miles to one. In the east everything is much closer. From Columbus Ohio to the east coast is only 500 miles in comparison.
There’s one less than 700mi from you. In Santa Clara CA. Not that it’s “close”, but certainly not >1000mi
 

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Really expensive mistake by Intel to not give some review kits to reviewers roughly 3 months in advance under NDA to get feedback from them regarding any issues. Maybe then the launch issues could've been prevented. Even if they get a performance uplift now, the damage has been done. A lot of people have moved on and upgraded already after waiting for months for Arrow Lake.

Yeah, its the usual AMD way to make this play. 90 days post launch its pretty solid and weird scheduler stuff, etc ironed out.

But those OG reviews on Tom's etc. live forever. And they don't always fully retest.
 

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There’s one less than 700mi from you. In Santa Clara CA. Not that it’s “close”, but certainly not >1000mi

Well, soon maybe, and thats still 10.5 hour drive WHEN it becomes available.
 

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