Is There Much Value In Teaching Cursive Writing?

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nakedfrog

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Cognitive biases don't cure themselves when presented with logical training. What happens is that people try to dress up cognitive biases as "logic" and abuse concepts in order to dominate a debate. Rather than dumb and simple-minded nonsense, the learned engage in sophistry, censorship, or treating incomplete paradigms as totally complete.
One could potentially use critical thinking to point out that you are applying your own bias in tearing down the suggestion that we teach critical thinking in schools.
 

BurnItDwn

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I've always loathed writing in cursive. Calligraphy should be taught to students who want to learn it, either an elective in high school or university, but should not be mandatory.
 

Torn Mind

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One could potentially use critical thinking to point out that you are applying your own bias in tearing down the suggestion that we teach critical thinking in schools.
Properly teaching critical thinking requires at least three full fields of study, including but not limited to philosophy, law, and psychology.

Then the individual needs to have a detached mindset, something the near-entirety of the masses are incapable of adopting for "sacred" matters.

I've seen enough to say that masses deserved to be ruled by the politicians currency in power, regardless of party, because the masses do not work that hard or well to function against any professional politician; political leanings dont matter.

What gets taught as critical thinking winds up becoming heuristic enablers. Humans presume and assume as a matter of habit, and more impulsive the more emotionally invested they are.

For example, Occams's razor is a method used such that morons think they are geniuses. When all the premises needed to establish a biconditional is found, then it can be applied. It is not a debate stopper, nor evidence, or fact.

Another popular line of thought these days is to take everything people say at face value and that guile, deceit, and hidden artificer necessarily cannot exist.
 

dainthomas

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At a minimum it should be taught so that students can develop a signature. My daughter is graduating this year, and her signature is just a quick scrawl of her initials.
 

JM Aggie08

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At a minimum it should be taught so that students can develop a signature. My daughter is graduating this year, and her signature is just a quick scrawl of her initials.
I think that makes sense. There's no need to teach it as in-depth as I (millennial) had to learn. Boomer bullshit imo.
 

lxskllr

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I'm unaware of any law that says a signature has to be cursive. It doesn't even have to writing of any kind. A pictogram would work just as well. It only has to be handmade by the person signing. My father used to do tax collection. This was forever ago, and it wasn't unusual to run into people completely illiterate. A valid signature for some was putting a pencil on a piece of paper then hitting the top. The skittering line left was their signature.
 

Muse

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i am glad i know how to read/write cursive even though i don't write it much anymore. lots of genealogical research i've done has required it.

and similarly i'm kind of sad that i didn't learn latin in school. i've been picking up both latin and greek over the years as i get more into ancient history, but i would have loved to have at least one semester on one of them.

once i'm retired i'm going to try to take some electives on those.
My father was schooled in those languages, I don't know to what extent but knowing him, it was significant. He was also into Greek mythology. His handwriting (cursive) was very impressive as well. My current cursive (I do some) has some print-type "glitches," it's not pure like I was taught.

Agree, it's useful at least insofar as it helps people to read cursive, and there's certainly a lot out there.

As well, cursive is quicker to the page, so there's that, and time IS precious.

Printing, however, is less subject to difficulty in reading, particularly by others. Depends, of course on the people involved. Myself, if I know what I write is going to be read by others I'm inclined to print to help them make sense of what I'm writing. Typewriters and computers have leant a bias for printing characters, obviously.
 

nOOky

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I used to write very lovely short stories in cursive. I still try to fill out the very rare check in cursive, my hand will stop mid-word and get confused. I just attempted to write a few lines in cursive on the back of a piece of scratch paper, it was hard. I think it would come back to me in less than a page though.
 

Chaotic42

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I go back and forth on this. I don't like writing it, and I hate reading it - when I was doing news on the radio, I'd get handed cursive stuff while I was on the air and it caused issues, but I think there's motor control benefit in writing it. Being able to quickly take notes while reading or listening is beneficial, and if you can write faster with cursive, that's a plus.
 

DigDog

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i must have been idk, 10yo when i told my teacher that cursive was bullshit because block letters did the same exact thing but easier. She said ofc no, "cursive is much faster" at which point i spent several months teaching mysefl to write block like a moth****r, by which time i could smoke her regardless of how fast she tried to write. This also led me to designing my own script which i used for quite a few years - i cannot do this anymore because i'm out of practice .. and frankly i don't remember it even. But essentially i would spend hours trying to cut down every letter to the most basic, but unique movement, so it looked like gibberish to anyone else, but *I* could read it.


.. i'm not sure if the compulsive film-review-writing has made it super-clear that (al least in the past) i love to write.
I haven't put pen to paper in about 5 years, mostly since the day that i discovered that i could - without being taught how - touch type. I eventually realized this was due to years spent playing MMORPGs such as Dark Age of Camelot in the dark (i was working nightshifts).

I do own a fountain pen .. which needs a new nib .. but i don't actually own any paper ...



Anyway, the answer is YES NO.
Teachning anything to a child is good. teaching them cursive isn't terribly useful outside of the fact that you are challenging them to learn a specific thing, but there's better choices out there that are not cursive script.
Or playing the f* recorder.
 
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Red Squirrel

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I think it's a good idea to teach it, but probably don't need to dedicate a whole semester to it. While it's rarer now, there are still some instances where kids may need to read or write it vs using a computer or phone.
 

JM Aggie08

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As an aside, I always enjoy when the 'founders' are referred to in political discourse, as if they weren't just a bunch of slave-owning farmers who were yolo-ing their way into a republic.
 
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Writing non-cursive seems unnatural to me. I'm also more likely to not write in a straight line if I try to do non-cursive.
 

nakedfrog

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As an aside, I always enjoy when the 'founders' are referred to in political discourse, as if they weren't just a bunch of slave-owning farmers who were yolo-ing their way into a republic.
How unpatriotic of you to posit that they were anything less than GODS among MEN! Get a rope, boys, we got a commie over here!
 
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Muse

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Just ran across this article...


Might be fun for people that enjoy reading old documents, eg not me :^D
It is faster to write in cursive than to print, that's always been my feeling. I often print because I think it's more certainly legible than my cursive. If I slow down, my cursive is more easily read. It's partly a matter of practice. Some people have gorgeous handwriting. My father and an uncle on my mother's side did. They both wrote memoires and I saw the handwriting. I desktop published my father's, not his handwriting, I turned it digital. A benefit was my editing. He did make some mistakes. I should get work as a proofreader. I think I have exceptional talents in that area.
 
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IronWing

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My sister has a job as a proofreader for an advertising company. She says the crap copy some of her clients provide is jaw dropping bad, barely english,
 

BurnItDwn

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It is faster to write in cursive than to print, that's always been my feeling. I often print because I think it's more certainly legible than my cursive. If I slow down, my cursive is more easily read. It's partly a matter of practice. Some people have gorgeous handwriting. My father and an uncle on my mother's side did. They both wrote memoires and I saw the handwriting. I desktop published my father's, not his handwriting, I turned it digital. A benefit was my editing. He did make some mistakes. I should get work as a proofreader. I think I have exceptional talents in that area.
I have a cheap old laser printer and it can print many pages per minute. Even old 9 pin epson dot matrix printers from the 1980s can print a LOT faster than I can write cursive or otherwise.
<insert smarmy smartass emoticon here>

In all seriousness, or, at least some or most seriousness, Some handwriting is indeed very pretty and pleasant on the eyes, a work of art!
In less seriousness, other handwriting is like mine, pretty sure should be illegal and considered crime against both pen and paper if not a crime against humanity.
 
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My sister has a job as a proofreader for an advertising company. She says the crap copy some of her clients provide is jaw dropping bad, barely english,
Working in an adjacent space, poor writing is no surprise. Some people like to cut budgets by skimping on time to write for quality and copyediting.
 
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