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Lifer
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I think there will certainly be an "election" in 2028. OTOH, I am sure the republican trifecta (presidency, House, Senate) and all of Trumps appointed cronies will do everything they can to redistrict everything possible to their advantage, disenfranchises as many voters as possible, and make it easier to appoint electors and throw out unfavorable votes.

Yeah, he doesn't need to 'end' democracy, when he can very easily (continue to) bend it to the point where it becomes an irrelevant pantomime. The system itself lends itself to that, as it was never intended to be a democracy in the first place - it was always supposed to be a wealth-and-race-based oligarchy. The only thing that's averted that till now has been various forms of struggles that occured external to that system.
 
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fskimospy

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Yeah, he doesn't need to 'end' democracy, when he can very easily (continue to) bend it to the point where it becomes an irrelevant pantomime. The system itself lends itself to that, as it was never intended to be a democracy in the first place - it was always supposed to be a wealth-and-race-based oligarchy. The only thing that's averted that till now has been various forms of struggles that occured external to that system.
This, 100%.

Russia still has elections. Hungary still has elections. Neither are democracies. When people say we aren't going to have elections in the future they don't mean we aren't going to have them at all, they mean we won't have free and fair ones.
 

ondma

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How did they 'give up the heartland', specifically?
Not recognizing the needs of the rural voters and middle class workers (maybe across the board tax cut that would help everyone instead of just those with kids or first time home buyers)? Overemphasis on identity politics/gender issues? Horrible messaging? Failure to control immigration? One can deny all day, or say it is the media's fault, or the electorate is stupid and evil, or whatever makes you feel better. I mean, hell, it used to be the Democratic "Farmer" "Labor" party. They have obviously lost the rural vote, and couldn't even get labor endorsement this election. I have said for a long time, and received a lot of hate for it on this forum, but I have said numerous times and for months, probably years, that the Dems have lost contact with the middle class. Well, I rest my case.
 

fskimospy

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Not recognizing the needs of the rural voters and middle class workers (maybe across the board tax cut that would help everyone instead of just those with kids or first time home buyers)?
But that's not true? Democrats made huge investments in rural/middle class workers.
Overemphasis on identity politics/gender issues?
But Republicans are the party that runs on almost nothing but identity politics, not the Democrats.

Just look at the 2024 commercials! Harris' were all about shared prosperity, Trump's were all about identity politics. (trans people/Mexicans/whoever are bad)

Horrible messaging? Failure to control immigration?
But Republicans were the ones who voted against controlling immigration, not Democrats? Seems odd to blame Democrats for Republicans refusing to secure the border, no?

Also, why does 'the heartland' care about immigration so much? For most of it they have a very low percentage of foreign born.
One can deny all day, or say it is the media's fault, or the electorate is stupid and evil, or whatever makes you feel better. I mean, hell, it used to be the Democratic "Farmer" "Labor" party. They have obviously lost the rural vote, and couldn't even get labor endorsement this election.
Meh, I'm uninterested in the feels or whatever. Let's just stick to the facts!
I have said for a long time, and received a lot of hate for it on this forum, but I have said numerous times and for months, probably years, that the Dems have lost contact with the middle class. Well, I rest my case.
Ironically I think the real answer here is that despite the Republicans doing all the things you said cost the Democrats, in the end it's that a lot of voters actually LOVE identity politics. They just like identity politics that cater to them.
 

ondma

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Democrats: 'let's expand child tax credits to help working families with kids'

Trump: 'I'm going to cause massive inflation to cut taxes for billionaires and corporations'

wHY woNt DeMocrAtS ReCogNize tHe NeEds oF tHe MidDle cLasS?
And did you know that about half of the households in the US dont have children? How about some sort of tax break for them? As for the first time homebuyer credit, well, its great if you qualify. That said, people that own their homes, and those that cant qualify are hurting too from inflation and high prices; how about helping them.
 
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