The brits are in for a rough ride

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hal2kilo

Lifer
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Can you imagine living in a country that jails its citizens for what they post on social media or better yet arrest them for misgendering someone. A country such as that should be invaded, taken apart and put back together the right way.
Damn, I didn't get to ignore him first.
 

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Lifer
May 30, 2008
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what does your heart say?

/they are not required, however Liz voluntarily started to pay taxes in '93
//'it's complicated'


It is very complicated. The problem really is that the Royal Family are so massively integrated into the state itself. In some senses they _are_ the state (so how does the state tax itself?)

The French got it right, once they got rid of their Royals they knew they'd been gotten rid of, and they _stayed_ gotten rid of.

Ours came back and melded themselves into the heart of the state itself. Pretty disastrous, IMO, and I don't fully understand how that happened, but it seems, as far as I understand it, to be a consequence of the way the anti-Royalist fight got completely entangled with both a religious conflict (Catholics vs Protestants) and a war between the constituent nations of Britain (Scotland, Ireland and England, mostly). Somehow the complications of that mess let the Royal freeloaders sneak back in again.

In theory the money they get from the 'civil list' was supposed to be payback for the partial-appropriation of much of their assets, but they also got, in return for that, relief from having to pay for the full cost of running the country.
 
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fskimospy

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It is very complicated. The problem really is that the Royal Family are so massively integrated into the state itself. In some senses they _are_ the state (so how does the state tax itself?)

The French got it right, once they got rid of their Royals they knew they'd been gotten rid of, and they _stayed_ gotten rid of.

Ours came back and melded themselves into the heart of the state itself. Pretty disastrous, IMO, and I don't fully understand how that happened, but it seems, as far as I understand it, to be a consequence of the way the anti-Royalist fight got completely entangled with both a religious conflict (Catholics vs Protestants) and a war between the constituent nations of Britain (Scotland, Ireland and England, mostly). Somehow the complications of that mess let the Royal freeloaders sneak back in again.

In theory the money they get from the 'civil list' was supposed to be payback for the partial-appropriation of much of their assets, but they also got, in return for that, relief from having to pay for the full cost of running the country.
Another obstacle to this seems to be (at least from the Brits I know) that large swaths of the country have genuine affection for this institution. I'll never forget my friend who has spent a bunch of his life clearing mines in war zones for the poorest people on the planet going absolutely apeshit for William's royal wedding.
 
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Lifer
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Another obstacle to this seems to be (at least from the Brits I know) that large swaths of the country have genuine affection for this institution. I'll never forget my friend who has spent a bunch of his life clearing mines in war zones for the poorest people on the planet going absolutely apeshit for William's royal wedding.


Yes, "William", that's it! Entirely irrelevant to the topic at hand but I was yet again struggling to remember his name...for some reason I can never, ever, remember that guy's name, so many times have had to google it. I can remember "Harry" (who just seems to be objectively more memorable) but then my mind always goes completely blank as to what the other one's called....keep coming up with "Harry and Paul", but that's these guys

 
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