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jpiniero

Lifer
Oct 1, 2010
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Nvidia doubles revenue and the stock tanks. Irrational exuberance and irrational expectations are the times we're in. A 3 trillion dollar plus company doubling revenue is damn near impossible and the market pouts.

NV is "valued" that much because of that irrational exuberance tho. There's going to be people who want to get off the wild ride before it ends.
 

dasherHampton

Platinum Member
Jan 19, 2018
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Does anyone here have any inside shade on
SAVA?

It's been a moderate success for me this year. I've sold a couple of out of the money puts every few months and they've never really been threatened. Made about 10 grand total.

My latest puts expired so I sold 2 for late dec at $20 and they netted $1700. SAVA is rated a moderate buy at most places.

Are investors expecting a surprise bankruptcy or something? The prices on these puts don't really make sense.
 
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Dec 10, 2005
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I shifted 100% of my and my wife’s 401k+mega backdoor roth contributions to total bond market funds. Don’t want to do any selling or rebalancing really but we’re pretty overweight equities and I couldn’t trust the incoming admin less to keep the ship afloat. It’ll still take years to even get down to 80% stocks assuming the market doesn’t tank. Plus we buy plenty of VTI after tax.
For our retirement accounts, I'm just sticking with my targets:
  • 36% international stock
  • 54% domestic stock [40/60 international/domestic stock split]
  • 7% domestic bonds
  • 3% international bonds [70/30 domestic/international bond split]
I recently rebalanced my 401k and Roth to ensure alignment across the accounts and matching my targets, since there had been some drift. I figure my time horizon of 20+ years is fine to just stick with what I have. Don't want to play games with trying to time the market, or letting stuff spook me from my long-term plans. I do have some cash I want to invest, but I've already done a fair amount this year, and may just let that sit in a T-bill/HYSA/Federal Money Market to see how things shake out in the first 6 months. Also, some of it is going to serve as our 2025 Roth contributions.
 
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linkgoron

Platinum Member
Mar 9, 2005
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Nvidia doubles revenue and the stock tanks. Irrational exuberance and irrational expectations are the times we're in. A 3 trillion dollar plus company doubling revenue is damn near impossible and the market pouts.
Looking better now.

I've put some small amount of money on MSTR. Only question is when to exit...
Looks like I'll ride this a bit more. Will probably sell some for my original stake soon, if it goes up some more.
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
29,773
2,326
126
Does anyone here have any inside shade on
SAVA?

It's been a moderate success for me this year. I've sold a couple of out of the money puts every few months and they've never really been threatened. Made about 10 grand total.

My latest puts expired so I sold 2 for late dec at $20 and they netted $1700. SAVA is rated a moderate buy at most places.

Are investors expecting a surprise bankruptcy or something? The prices on these puts don't really make sense.
Welcome back Dasher! I stopped watching Sava some time ago.

I've been trading MSTR and QUBT.
 

repoman0

Diamond Member
Jun 17, 2010
4,772
3,852
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For our retirement accounts, I'm just sticking with my targets:
  • 36% international stock
  • 54% domestic stock [40/60 international/domestic stock split]
  • 7% domestic bonds
  • 3% international bonds [70/30 domestic/international bond split]
I recently rebalanced my 401k and Roth to ensure alignment across the accounts and matching my targets, since there had been some drift. I figure my time horizon of 20+ years is fine to just stick with what I have. Don't want to play games with trying to time the market, or letting stuff spook me from my long-term plans. I do have some cash I want to invest, but I've already done a fair amount this year, and may just let that sit in a T-bill/HYSA/Federal Money Market to see how things shake out in the first 6 months. Also, some of it is going to serve as our 2025 Roth contributions.
Definitely wise to just stick with your strategy. I only made that change because I haven’t been rebalancing or sticking with a strategy — I was 100% in on US stock market until bonds started paying real money a few years ago. It’s worked out well because the US market has significantly outperformed, but now my strategy is more dependent on holding onto this money and continuing to save at high rates than making a lot of money in the market. Still my goal is to end up at my FIRE number in <10 years at roughly 70/30 or possibly more conservative stocks/bonds.
 
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dullard

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May 21, 2001
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Still my goal is to end up at my FIRE number in <10 years
I hadn't heard of a FIRE number before. I guessed that it meant "F It, Retire Early". I came away from a google search disappointed that it means "Financial Independence, Retire Early".
 

repoman0

Diamond Member
Jun 17, 2010
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I hadn't heard of a FIRE number before. I guessed that it meant "F It, Retire Early". I came away from a google search disappointed that it means "Financial Independence, Retire Early".
It is kind of a stupid acronym isn’t it .. I like yours better
 

dasherHampton

Platinum Member
Jan 19, 2018
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Welcome back Dasher! I stopped watching Sava some time ago.

I've been trading MSTR and QUBT

Hey Felix. Hope the world is treating you well.

I'm still confused about SAVA. I actually sold two more puts at $15 that expire right after new years, proving again that at least a small part of me will ever learn lol. They sold for $1500. Someone is obviously expecting a collapse. I'll have to watch it like a hawk until then.

I've got a laundry list of stocks I sold too early:

UPST
DOCS
DOCU
AFFRM
RBLX

to name a few. Trading can really drive you insane.

I sold calls on IONQ right before it took off. Nice job.

I did hold on to two of my biggest holdings - AI and NET - and thats worked out ok. I think NET will do well this year. They had a great EC.
 
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FelixDeCat

Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
29,773
2,326
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Hey Felix. Hope the world is treating you well.

I'm still confused about SAVA. I actually sold two more puts at $15 that expire right after new years, proving again that at least a small part of me will ever learn lol. They sold for $1500. Someone is obviously expecting a collapse. I'll have to watch it like a hawk until then.

I've got a laundry list of stocks I sold too early:

UPST
DOCS
DOCU
AFFRM
RBLX

to name a few. Trading can really drive you insane.

I sold calls on IONQ right before it took off. Nice job.

I did hold on to two of my biggest holdings - AI and NET - and thats worked out ok. I think NET will do well this year. They had a great EC.
Well I am hanging in there. 😉

Right now everyone is chasing quantum related stocks. Here are the ones I'm watching. All are extremely overvalued and rips for a crash as they all traded for pennies once..
 
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FelixDeCat

Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
29,773
2,326
126
Does anyone here have any inside shade on
SAVA?

It's been a moderate success for me this year. I've sold a couple of out of the money puts every few months and they've never really been threatened. Made about 10 grand total.

My latest puts expired so I sold 2 for late dec at $20 and they netted $1700. SAVA is rated a moderate buy at most places.

Are investors expecting a surprise bankruptcy or something? The prices on these puts don't really make sense.
Thank God you covered those short puts! Savas has lost nearly all it's value today.
 

dasherHampton

Platinum Member
Jan 19, 2018
2,546
490
126
Thank God you covered those short puts! Savas has lost nearly all it's value today.

I have a brutal sense of timing, don't I. It cost me $2400 buying back those puts.

I never saw that kind of drop coming. I ddi make money on SAVA this year but this could have happened any time. The prices never made sense. I'm absolutely done with pharmaceuticals that carry inherent risk. Well- I guess they all do but the giants have some buffer to them.

Remember SRNE?
 

Indus

Lifer
May 11, 2002
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Hey I've been researching tax status of index funds vs ETF's?

But it's confusing as heck and contradicting.. so asking for someone that truly knows..

Is it the index funds that add to your taxes every year if it goes up and can push you into another bracket?

But ETF's don't and are deferred till when you sell them?
 
Dec 10, 2005
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Hey I've been researching tax status of index funds vs ETF's?

But it's confusing as heck and contradicting.. so asking for someone that truly knows..

Is it the index funds that add to your taxes every year if it goes up and can push you into another bracket?

But ETF's don't and are deferred till when you sell them?
I think you're overcomplicating stuff. You only pay taxes on dividends and realized capital gains, it doesn't matter if it's a mutual fund or an ETF. And you only have realized capital gains when you sell shares. The brokerage will send you a 1099 with the numbers you'd need to add to your tax return - easy-peasy.

And if it's all wrapped in a tax deferred/sheltered account (like a Roth IRA or a regular IRA), then you don't pay any taxes on the gains. For the regular IRA, you only pay standard income taxes when you withdraw (does not apply to a Roth, since you pay taxes before the money goes in).

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There are also tax-free or tax-managed bond and money market funds, but you should only look at these if you're in a high enough income bracket to make the tax savings make up for the lower yields relative to equivalent taxable funds. In these funds, the dividends would have some degree of tax free status to them, but you'll still pay taxes on the gains if you sell the shares.
 

biostud

Lifer
Feb 27, 2003
18,845
5,703
136
Hey I've been researching tax status of index funds vs ETF's?

But it's confusing as heck and contradicting.. so asking for someone that truly knows..

Is it the index funds that add to your taxes every year if it goes up and can push you into another bracket?

But ETF's don't and are deferred till when you sell them?
Also depends on which country you live in and where your investments are.
 
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