Question AMD's chicken and egg Threadripper problem?

igor_kavinski · 2024-11-26T13:31:56-0500

From another thread:

poke01 said:
AMD could easily make a 24/32 core Ryzen but they choose not too.

Instead AMD also wants to make profit from Threadripper sales. shocker

I have to wonder. Do they really make that much profit from Threadripper? It seems to be their lowest priority product line in terms of launch cadence. For Zen 5, they released consumer CPUs first, then came Turin and now it's time for Shimada Peak but not even a launch event yet or any juicy leaks of whether it will have V-cache or not.

Threadripper could be a LOT more popular if AMD simply released it in quad channel form. But they don't want to because it is supposedly expensive. BUT how do they bring their cost down if they can't sell it in volume which requires them lowering the price of entry?

Chicken and egg. Something's gotta give.

Come on, AMD. Be bold. Invest in the R&D for a quad channel Threadripper with minimum $400 motherboards and then see your Threadripper sales soar in a year or two!

SteinFG · 2024-11-27T00:47:18-0500

igor_kavinski said:
Threadripper could be a LOT more popular if AMD simply released it in quad channel form.

They did, 7960x/70x/80x are quad channel and only work in quad channel TRX50 motherboards.
And some of them are under 700 dollars. WS from asrock or Aero from gigabyte. Considering X870E prices, it's not gonna get better.

poke01 · 2024-11-27T02:20:13-0500

Still too expensive, 7960X is $1500 for 24 cores and work in expensive motherboards.

Hopefully by the time we get AM6, 32 cores are top end Ryzen parts and X series motherboards are quad channel. By then bandwidth will become super important

DrMrLordX · 2024-11-27T04:00:27-0500

Don't expect quad channel on consumer motherboards. That being said, anything beyond 16c is going to be starved for bandwidth. 16c is already pushing it.

Shmee · 2024-11-27T04:04:06-0500

What we need is a return to glorious HEDT systems. Like we had with X99. TR is really more workstation currently.

Gideon · 2024-11-27T04:36:30-0500

Shmee said:
What we need is a return to glorious HEDT systems. Like we had with X99. TR is really more workstation currently.

This! there would definitely be a niche for it. But so far it seems it has not been deemed big enough for any of the OEMs to care.

igor_kavinski · 2024-11-27T04:42:35-0500

People obviously have money to burn, when they buy 7950X3Ds and turn off the HF CCD to get better gaming performance. Give them a single CCD 16 cores at the very least. $800 for the CPU and something like $400-$650 for the mobo with quad channel DDR5 and AMD/OEMs WILL have sales.

poke01 · 2024-11-27T04:50:43-0500

igor_kavinski said:
People obviously have money to burn, when they buy 7950X3Ds and turn off the HF CCD to get better gaming performance. Give them a single CCD 16 cores at the very least. $800 for the CPU and something like $400-$650 for the mobo with quad channel DDR5 and AMD/OEMs WILL have sales.

People buy $2000+ GPUs, AMD can definitely do more here like you say.

MS_AT · 2024-11-27T05:32:25-0500

igor_kavinski said:
People obviously have money to burn, when they buy 7950X3Ds and turn off the HF CCD to get better gaming performance. Give them a single CCD 16 cores at the very least. $800 for the CPU and something like $400-$650 for the mobo with quad channel DDR5 and AMD/OEMs WILL have sales.

Then they will burn it on the Threadrippers You forget Threadrippers bring with them lots of IO capabilities, all these things have to be routed on the PCB. PCIe 5 has tighter requirements what increases cost. The socket itself takes more space on the PCB what makes it harder and more expensive to design something that is smaller than ATX.

The alternative would be to produce another niche SKU, without the big IOD, just with 4 mem channels, up to 32 cores maybe, with severly limited IO compared to threadrippers but somewhat bigger than what AM5 provides. Who would buy that? I mean how big the target market would be for these parts. Do they make economical sense? Would you buy it yourself?

igor_kavinski · 2024-11-27T05:40:04-0500

MS_AT said:
Would you buy it yourself?

I would buy the older gen used or on sale once it gets refreshed

Lots and lots of people out there who are much more able financially to pocket the early adopter tax.

I do have a 128 thread Zen 2 ES on ASROCK mobo.

SteinFG · 2024-11-27T06:18:04-0500

igor_kavinski said:
I would buy the older gen used or on sale once it gets refreshed

Well here's the answer why they are not making it.

Just buy older epyc or older threadriper then.

igor_kavinski · 2024-11-27T06:34:54-0500

SteinFG said:
Well here's the answer why they are not making it.

Everyone isn't like me

There are probably even workstation users who are being forced to buy older gen TRs right now and that money isn't going into AMD's pockets. If a cheaper TR platform were available, AMD would see more fresh sales that would have a more tangible effect on their bottom line.

MS_AT · 2024-11-27T07:26:09-0500

igor_kavinski said:
Everyone isn't like me

There are probably even workstation users who are being forced to buy older gen TRs right now and that money isn't going into AMD's pockets. If a cheaper TR platform were available, AMD would see more fresh sales that would have a more tangible effect on their bottom line.

But are there Zen 5 CCDs kept in storage they are unable to sell? Or is everything already selling as fast as they can make it?

Thibsie · 2024-11-27T07:31:23-0500

In most EU countries, older gens Epyc or so expensive it isn't worth it at all.

I still wanna grab an old Epyc server for my classroom but just can't afford it and public schools can't either.

igor_kavinski · 2024-11-27T07:54:51-0500

Thibsie said:
I still wanna grab an old Epyc server for my classroom but just can't afford it and public schools can't either.

I got mine from Markfw for a super reasonable price. Contact him

igor_kavinski · 2024-11-27T13:26:20-0500

MS_AT said:
But are there Zen 5 CCDs kept in storage they are unable to sell? Or is everything already selling as fast as they can make it?

Good question but only AMD knows that.

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