Discussion This is why retail businesses don't succeed in America without heavy markups..

WelshBloke

Lifer
Jan 12, 2005
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If that was your business.. what would you do?

I have to be absolutely honest.. I'd shoot him!
That's an Apple store. All those phones are absolutely worthless after he left with them and Apple isn't exactly short of money.
No one really lost anything, and no one gained anything. Why shoot someone to protect a fantastically small proportions of Apples profits?
 

Indus

Lifer
May 11, 2002
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I wasn't talking about Apple.. I was talking if it was your mom and pop store. Lets be honest people steal from them too..
 
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being a guy who used to manager wireless stores.
DONT PUT LIVE DEVICES OUT IF YOU DONT WANT THEM STOLEN.
Unless consumer habits have changed substantially in the last 10 years, there is little point to leaving so many live devices out. They don’t get used and on that rare occasion they are used it’s for prank calls or surfing porn.
The only reason why so many are out is because someone in Marketing thinks they look nice and have a undefined but per their words “a positive effect” on the customer experience or some sales manager is doing it just because they were told to do it.
I realize that’s an Apple Store and I realize that doesn’t hit their margins.
Every Apple Store I have ever visited are filled with people who just mill about looking at crap.
 

MrSquished

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Imagine thinking retail doesn't survive in America mostly because of theft while ignoring the myriad of other factors involved - you know - such as ONLINE SHOPPING WITH LOWER PRICES, skyrocketing rents, and other such things.

This is just a playbook from the right wing propaganda machine. it's the blue collar criminals destroying America, one shoplift at a time!

Oy. Stop thinking so small.
 

cytg111

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Mar 17, 2008
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I wasn't talking about Apple.. I was talking if it was your mom and pop store. Lets be honest people steal from them too..
If it's your livelihood I get it, its bread on the table and a message to the local community that your place is a finding out area. That being said how much different is this from a bank robbery? You would have to assume he is carrying a gun right? Even if I was carrying myself and I had 99.9% odds I am not getting in on that action.

You are doing the quality vs quantity fallacy again. You cant point to a single burglary and scream the sky is falling. What does the statistics say. Crime going up or down?
 
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Indus

Lifer
May 11, 2002
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being a guy who used to manager wireless stores.
DONT PUT LIVE DEVICES OUT IF YOU DONT WANT THEM STOLEN.
Unless consumer habits have changed substantially in the last 10 years, there is little point to leaving so many live devices out. They don’t get used and on that rare occasion they are used it’s for prank calls or surfing porn.
The only reason why so many are out is because someone in Marketing thinks they look nice and have a undefined but per their words “a positive effect” on the customer experience or some sales manager is doing it just because they were told to do it.
I realize that’s an Apple Store and I realize that doesn’t hit their margins.
Every Apple Store I have ever visited are filled with people who just mill about looking at crap.

I'm not sure if I told this story here.. but I bought my second last phone with my wife at a store that was then robbed but the cops were outside.. so they went into confront the robber but he had a fake gun.. they ran out and were shot at by other police thinking they were the thieves and the detective passed away.

True story.. but my point was these robberies do happen to non Apple stores!

 
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IronWing

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Most Apple Store customers are killing time, waiting to talk to the service technicians. I’ve never successfully purchased a product from an Apple Store as they don’t carry much stock, despite the fancy display.
 

Indus

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If it's your livelihood I get it, its bread on the table and a message to the local community that your place is a finding out area. That being said how much different is this from a bank robbery? You would have to assume he is carrying a gun right? Even if I was carrying myself and I had 99.9% odds I am not getting in on that action.

You are doing the quality vs quantity fallacy again. You cant point to a single burglary and scream the sky is falling. What does the statistics say. Crime going up or down?

Thing with banks is it's the banks money and federally insured.. I can totally understand them not wanting to get hurt personally and I would do the same!
 
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I'm not sure if I told this story here.. but I bought my second last phone with my wife at a store that was then robbed but the cops were outside.. so they went into confront the robber but he had a fake gun.. they ran out and were shot at by other police thinking they were the thieves and the detective passed away.

True story.. but my point was these robberies do happen to non Apple stores!

Oh I know, I have requested many live replacement devices in my time.
Same every time “you need to watch these better”
Okay so I won’t manage staff I’ll just stand near the live devices all day, also I won’t complete any training or attend any meeting or be on any conference calls.
If you sell items like that and have live devices out they will be stolen.
 
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KMFJD

Lifer
Aug 11, 2005
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If that was your business.. what would you do?

I have to be absolutely honest.. I'd shoot him!
i'm in tears that someone actually 'cared' , if they cared so much why didn't they themselves intervene?

I mean that shit is insured anyways, some of the reasons most people shouldn't/don't care about big business being robbed...



about all that idiot can do with those devices is to sell the parts i'd think?
 

[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
Dec 15, 2015
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If that was your business.. what would you do?

I have to be absolutely honest.. I'd shoot him!
Nothing, because I don't own an apple store and if I did I wouldn't give a shit about a dozen worthless display phones that I could brick remotely and tell an underling to submit an insurance claim for. Hell I wouldn't even press charges, not like you can squeeze blood from a stone and that poor bastard clearly needs the scratch.
 

sdifox

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Sep 30, 2005
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Because shoplifting is a uniquely American problem :roll eyes:
 

K1052

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Aug 21, 2003
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about all that idiot can do with those devices is to sell the parts i'd think?

The options basically are 1) sell them overseas to people with sufficient expertise to unbrick them 2) sell them for parts 3) sell them to morons who do not know they are bricked.

Apple netted almost 100B in profit in 2023. They do not give a fuck about this.
 

Indus

Lifer
May 11, 2002
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The options basically are 1) sell them overseas to people with sufficient expertise to unbrick them 2) sell them for parts 3) sell them to morons who do not know they are bricked.

Apple netted almost 100B in profit in 2023. They do not give a fuck about this.

I think the unbricking knowledge isn't just overseas.. it exists here now and the criminals try to move money out of accounts and then resell the phone for cheap to others.

Primarily why I don't put my bank info in my phone.. computer at home yes but a phone no.

But that just goes down a tangent of other crime.. I was mostly about how do mom & pop stores deal with this stuff when laws protect criminals.

FFS I saw some women stealing fruit out of a grocery shop yesterday!
 
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The options basically are 1) sell them overseas to people with sufficient expertise to unbrick them 2) sell them for parts 3) sell them to morons who do not know they are bricked.

Apple netted almost 100B in profit in 2023. They do not give a fuck about this.
Yep, Apple has already taken steps to make these functionally useless, except for organized crime. The people doing the grabs are just the patsies.
 
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