Discussion Nvidia Blackwell in Q1-2025

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Heartbreaker

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That's how low quality "leakers" get away with rubbish. "It was an Nvidia conspiracy to fish for sentiment"

Yeah, trying to shift the blame from themselves.

The truth about "leaks" both true and fake, is simply attention seeking. Some of it is just enjoy the notoriety, and some for the monetary benefit (MLID).
 

xnery007

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5070Ti looks like an interesting card; I’m planning to buy one myself as an upgrade from a 2060. Of course, the key factor will be the price, but based on the leaks, it sounds promising:
  • GB203 (sigh, yes, even though it’s a cut-down version compared to the 80)
  • 16GB VRAM for future-proofing
  • I hope the price difference compared to the more powerful 5080 will be significant
  • My price guess is $849 (but I’m still hoping for the original $799, like with the 4070Ti SUPER)
  • DLSS4 and other features that Nvidia probably prepared exclusively for Blackwell
At least until the refresh, but who knows when or even if that will happen. There’s room for an 18GB 5070 SUPER, as Samsung is ramping up production of those new 3GB memory modules.
 

biostud

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8 GB thing is getting proper unsustainable for new launches - 60-level GPUs are bread and butter for NVIDIA that covers the market and makes devs optimise for them, they got burnt on "4080 12 GB" but very few people were going to buy it anyway at those prices, but this is far more commercially consequential market, plus both AMD and Intel are having a go at it.

If I was them I'd delay it till 3 GB modules become available.
Isn’t 3GB modules GDDR7 only?

Will there be 3GB GDDR6 modules?
 

biostud

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Do we expect improved price/performance with 5xxx over 4xxx, or are they just jacking up prices again?
 

techjunkie123

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They're basically keeping the same pricing and selling you more fake frames via software upgrades.
aI frAmE gEn mAx prO - now we generate more fake frames to interpolate even more in between real frames, your fps can now go from 60 to 240. But we only limit to 5xxx series because 4xxx doesn't have enuf bw.

/s
 

Saylick

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They're basically keeping the same pricing and selling you more fake frames via software upgrades.
But hey, according to Lord Jensen, “it’s safe to upgrade now.”

But seriously. Idk how anyone hears that and doesn’t think it’s patronizing, especially when everything beneath their flagship tier has stagnated in everything except price.
 

RNR_Forte

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5090 is 70% faster or more than 4090 AFAIK. Is the first trully 8k video card.
 
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Hans Gruber

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You are going to see no power efficiency gains unless Blackwell has better efficiency in the design. Higher power consumption vs. 40 series and crazy bandwidth because Blackwell is sporting GDDR7 memory. Nvidia is using 4NX silicon which provides greater density. Nvidia really wanted and should have been on 3nm but TSMC didn't have the silicon capacity.

Consider all Nvidia 40 series GPU's were already on 4N. The lack of efficiency gains is a mute point because their competition likes to cheap out on silicon.

The GPU sector is in the dumps in sales right now. The timing is right for both Intel and AMD to focus on the low/mid tier cards.
 

xnery007

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I agree. 3nm would be expensive; 4N(P) or any other version is merely an improvement on 5nm by a few percent. Therefore, I think the worst-case scenarios predicting a 5070Ti MSRP of $900 or more won’t materialize. Nvidia’s approach with the SUPER variants has been fairly reasonable, and this is their latest launch.

Nvidia will want to convince even 4xxx owners to buy new GPUs, and just DLSS4 won’t be enough for that.
  • The 256-bit memory bus remains unchanged.
  • GDDR7 isn’t significantly more expensive compared to GDDR6X.
  • That’s why I believe Nvidia will improve the price/performance ratio generationally. It doesn’t make sense to me that they would offer the 5070Ti with performance comparable to the 4080 SUPER + DLSS4 at the original price of the 4080 SUPER.
However, the situation is different for the 5090. It’s not even worth speculating about – Nvidia can do whatever they want there, knowing they will at least sell the product to people building rigs for LocalLLaMA and others.

I’m an optimist in this regard. I know most people predict crazy prices just because 'It’s Nvidia,' but I found their last SUPER launch to be good and rational.
 
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