Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

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Please keep on topic, and leave sarcasm pictures like this out of tech. It only sets you up for hate from other members on the other side of the line.
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For this one the frequency difference is way larger so even if the ISA/arch is almost same the max frequency is going to affect the perf of C
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You need to look at actual performance numbers. In reality, they do not see anywhere close to those numbers. Look at some benchmarks and compare to benchmarks of p-core with ecore competitions chips. Also, when the arch is the same vs WAY different even a 20% clock makes almost no different.
 

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Not trying to derail this thread, so if this becomes a subject, we should create a new one.


Very nice if more motherboard vendors announce support. This is going to be awesome publicity for AM5 platform.
Yes that is nice, I've been planning to attempt to stabilize my 64gb at CL28 soon, and they are making my result look pathetic! Some details below...
HOW??? I'm going to have to try copying some of those settings.
Voltages. I have 64gb, I haven't yet gotten 6400 stable, I COULD try, but I also can't get a 2200mhz IF clock to work so I am working on timings, and making great progress. At the default 1.4V of my dual rank chip, I can't do much, bumping it up to 1.45 gives sooo much flexibility. My timings are now even different from last screenshot and aida64 reports a 55-57ms latency. You can't stick to anything 1.4 and below and expect an improvement, at least for dual rank.

I know 1.45 is safe and I seem to recall 1.5 is safe. The issue becomes heat. The higher you go, the hotter those things get. Heat causes errors in RAM.

RAM overclocking is also a PITA. On my board, if you mess up too bad, you have to open the case, remove hardware, and hit the reset CMOS button. I added a button to the jumpers so I only have to take the side off...

At least for me, the safe mode failures almost never work and I don't have buttons on the back of my ITX board.

BTW I have one of the worst 7950Xs out there, so I'm sure others could have better results.

On Topic: That is why you shouldn't beat up AMD over the current situation. DIMMs today are very loosely binned. Many of the slowest DIMMs can run at DDR5-8000 or more. Intel and AMD are pushing the industry is catching up to this, but it takes time. On most AM5 CPUs, DDR5-8000 is easily achievable with the right kit, but speeds alone provide almost no benefit thanks to the GMI links and stuff. If they design around this, we'll see significant uplift. They are for some designs that use LPDDR5, and other designs in the future, so I'm looking forward to seeing results. I've said in the past I think Zen 5 is bandwidth bottlenecked. Hopefully we'll see something with more, or maybe with Zen 6.
 

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Oh, the main reason I came here was to say this: Looking forward to see the 8800S performance compared to the mobile 3070. Strix halo is looking like an amazing upgrade to my Razer laptop, which has a 5900hx and a 3070.
 
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When taking the geo mean for the four dozen HPC benchmarks run for this article, following AMD's public BIOS tuning guide recommendations for HPC computing workloads there was a 22% improvement to the performance overall. That's pretty darn good considering that my EPYC and Xeon reviews and other CPU review/benchmark comparisons are done with stock/BIOS default settings except for where otherwise noted. Some pretty nice performance gains demonstrated across different software packages like (Open)Radioss, OpenFOAM, HPCG, Graph500, SPECFEM3D, XNNPACK, Incompact3D, and others for bettering the 5th Gen AMD EPYC potential for high performance computing.
 

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From article - "public BIOS tuning guide recommendations for HPC computing"

"For HPC workloads AMD recommends
1) disabling SMT
2) engaging the "high performance" power profile,
3) running in performance determinism mode
4) running the respective CPU at its maximum configurable TDP (cTDP) value
5) running with four NUMA nodes per socket (4 NPS)"


#1-4 are obvious even without any guides (had them for long time on older EPYCs), will give #5 a go once I get my hands on new stuff, been suggested on here too.
 

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You don't want a 3-400MHz slower CCD.

Here is what I want in top 16 core product (and that's not negotiable):
1) both chiplets of same top quality - none of the "second chiplet is from the B-team"
2) both chiplets to have 3D cache

$999 product, yes, easy to make and will be plenty of willing 5090 owners to get the best of the best - right now I had to disable one chiplet in 7950X3D to deal with crappy scheduling, plus this baby will work out great in a small power efficient server.

Give bloody choice to people to buy stuff they want AMD!
 

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Here is what I want in top 16 core product (and that's not negotiable):
1) both chiplets of same top quality - none of the "second chiplet is from the B-team"
2) both chiplets to have 3D cache

$999 product, yes, easy to make and will be plenty of willing 5090 owners to get the best of the best - right now I had to disable one chiplet in 7950X3D to deal with crappy scheduling, plus this baby will work out great in a small power efficient server.

Give bloody choice to people to buy stuff they want AMD!
No one actually wants that, it'll have worse 1T performance.
 

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No one actually wants that, it'll have worse 1T performance.
Why would it be worse if 3D chiplets 1T perf is very close if not equal in 9950X3D to 2nd chiplet.

People (like me) bought 7950X3D with far worse delta, pick the best chiplets for Halo product and it will sell - there will be millions of 5090s sold and people who buy them will want top end CPU, buying 8 cores is 2025 is really not acceptable proposition and if someone buys 16 they should be top notch stuff, even if it's 9999X3D version for $999.99.

This is especially important in light of Zen 5 clearly being mem bandwidth starved - both chiplets with 3D should help nicely distributed workloads.
 
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