Dammit, you made me reread it. 💀
Mea culpa. He did say he used it before updating the bios.
Dammit, you made me reread it. 💀Technically I think he's correct. The reddit user had a bum 13700k, got a replacement, ran it before updating his UEFI, scorched it too, and got a replacement 14700k because Intel has probably run out of 13-series chips and has no choice in the matter.
At least this confirms that updating the UEFI while using a Raptor Lake that has operated "heavily" under an older microcode version is not a viable fix.
Yeah but makes you wonder. If short term heavy usage without safety limits degraded it, what does that say about long term heavy usage within safety limits? If the transistors aren't up to snuff due to some inherent flaw in Intel 7 Enhanced Superfin tech, they will degrade in the long term too because heavy usage over a period of time will eventually take its toll on them. People to this day are USING Bulldozer/Piledriver (and overclocked!) and it's working fine for them. That tells me all I want to know about Intel 7's fitness for long term CPU operation.He did say he used it before updating the bios.
I have been saying all the time that the 12B microcode alone does not fix the CPUs.Yeah but makes you wonder. If short term heavy usage without safety limits degraded it, what does that say about long term heavy usage within safety limits? If the transistors aren't up to snuff due to some inherent flaw in Intel 7 Enhanced Superfin tech, they will degrade in the long term too because heavy usage over a period of time will eventually take its toll on them. People to this day are USING Bulldozer/Piledriver (and overclocked!) and it's working fine for them. That tells me all I want to know about Intel 7's fitness for long term CPU operation.
LOL why does that matter? And you were right about him using it before updating the bios, so there's that.I have been saying all the time that the 12B microcode alone does not fix the CPUs.
There is a dramatic difference in how the CPUs operate at 6000 and 5000 MHz, both in voltage and temperature. Even 5600 (max frequency of 14700K) vs 5000 MHz makes a significant difference.
I also said for very heavy long term use 5 Ghz is most likely still too much.
I just realised I am on foreign grounds, not im my own degradation thread...
He feels unsafe among frenemiesLOL why does that matter?
Totally agree! But you and Intel also need to agree that with AMD CPUs not having such issues, Intel CPUs look a lot unattractive. So maybe at least a 40% price cut is in order?I also said for very heavy long term use 5 Ghz is most likely still too much.
Even at a 40% price cut, I would never touch one. The last thing I want is for failure while working hard. And a motherboard that is useless if I give up on RMA's. I will stay with AMD unles Intel gets their "stuff" together. (I don't know were to get that nice icon @DAPUNISHER uses. One of the few times I wish it was an allowed word, it really applies)Totally agree! But you and Intel also need to agree that with AMD CPUs not having such issues, Intel CPUs look a lot unattractive. So maybe at least a 40% price cut is in order?
Why? The ECO 14700K with 5 GHz and 125W limits will still perform overall comparably with 9700X, while maintaining much better multithread performance even when limited this way.Totally agree! But you and Intel also need to agree that with AMD CPUs not having such issues, Intel CPUs look a lot unattractive. So maybe at least a 40% price cut is in order?
Benchmarks please.Why? The ECO 14700K with 5 GHz and 125W limits will still perform overall comparably with 9700X, while maintaining much better multithread performance even when limited this way.
Maybe he thinks he is special because he is the only one in his town who buys expensive Intel heatersThink I'll trust benchmarks from a reliable source over a random person saying "trust me bro".
That one is right there with - we don't need CPUs as fast as the 9800X3D for 4K gaming. There is an copium epidemic. ☠️ Stoked to see Intel improve on power and heat, it is one of the best qualities of arrow v. raptor.Its not a space heater when Intel or AMD do it in the modern world because Perf matters above all. Those of us who bought and used Bulldozer etc. were just dummies who used space heaters.
I am still waiting for promised performance fixes but if they turn out to be true and it make them consistent I guess ARL can be a decent until then It's just a meh in DesktopThat one is right there with - we don't need CPUs as fast as the 9800X3D for 4K gaming. There is an copium epidemic. ☠️ Stoked to see Intel improve on power and heat, it is one of the best qualities of arrow v. raptor.
over 2.6 hours ??? So whats the gist of it ???MLID has Matt from Alderon Games on again to talk about
intel 13/14 degradation status
nv 50 series and framegen vs latency
ai upscaling difficulties
switch2
qualcom as platform
linux for games and anticheat struggle
concerning the intel cpu: matt is still getting tons of user crash reporting/datalog that they have to try to explain to the customer the cpu degradation problem. intel still hasnt gotten the info out to its customers and the rma stuff is seemingly not a rush priority. rumors of SI vendors who sold a full turnkey system are denying rma claims based on the cpu. matt isnt even sure if the microcode fix is actually working. tom(mlid) advised him to put out his game crash data and let GN or L1T make a story on it.over 2.6 hours ??? So whats the gist of it ???
and 5090 performance ??concerning the intel cpu: matt is still getting tons of user crash reporting/datalog that they have to try to explain to the customer the cpu degradation problem. intel still hasnt gotten the info out to its customers and the rma stuff is seemingly not a rush priority. rumors of SI vendors who sold a full turnkey system are denying rma claims based on the cpu. matt isnt even sure if the microcode fix is actually working. tom(mlid) advised him to put out his game crash data and let GN or L1T make a story on it.
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Duh they already publicly posted info as for Microcode fixing it won't fix degraded CPU they should just redirect customers to Intel website and RMAconcerning the intel cpu: matt is still getting tons of user crash reporting/datalog that they have to try to explain to the customer the cpu degradation problem. intel still hasnt gotten the info out to its customers and the rma stuff is seemingly not a rush priority. rumors of SI vendors who sold a full turnkey system are denying rma claims based on the cpu. matt isnt even sure if the microcode fix is actually working. tom(mlid) advised him to put out his game crash data and let GN or L1T make a story on it.
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According to the vid, a lot of Raptor Lake users haven't even updated to the latest UEFI with "fixed" microcode yet. Some OEMs won't roll out fixes and/or won't RMA for the customer either.Duh they already publicly posted info as for Microcode fixing it won't fix degraded CPU they should just redirect customers to Intel website and RMA
matt talks about the latency impact of the framegen and the need for ai to make up for the inefficiency of doing it properly to begin with. the more garbage the raytracing(montecarlo) results initial render is, the more heavily you need to lean on the ai to correct the problem the longer the frame takes which you need more framegen to make up for the inbetween of the true frames.and 5090 performance ??
if we assume matt has crash data with system summaries, then theoretically he should see some differentiation in the 13/14 chips in comparison to his pre code patch data.Duh they already publicly posted info as for Microcode fixing it won't fix degraded CPU they should just redirect customers to Intel website and RMA
Not Wendell. He treasures his relations with Intel too much. Tech Jesus is the guy to dissect the results and burn Intel at the stake. And maybe then Intel should go ahead and sue Pat Gelsinger's church for damagesthat is why tom suggests he contact wendel at L1T. wendel should be able to sort the results to get a better picture.