Question Intel's future after Pat Gelsinger

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dacostafilipe

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IMO, in the near term, I don't think that it really matters who get's to be CEO, as Intel is already doing what it needs to do, it will juste take 1-2 years to be implemented. Intel "just" needs to hang tight, avoid investissement where not needed and not freak out.

Well, maybe avoid Musk, ...
 

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Intel's product plan for 2025-2027 is called "Shut up and Ship!" which is the actually the same as Gelsinger's roadmap but talking about it less. Response seems fairly muted. Which is good. All according to keikaku.
Funny thing the planmaker is not at Intel imo when they were stagnating with 10nm and pushed 7nm away I thought they were done for lol
 

Joe NYC

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Intel's product plan for 2025-2027 is called "Shut up and Ship!" which is the actually the same as Gelsinger's roadmap but talking about it less. Response seems fairly muted. Which is good. All according to keikaku.

Gelsinger trumpeting every milestone, every deliverable was a bit too much.

But how different is the new team, showing off notebooks with PTL, that won't ship for ~9 months?
 
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Hey, looks like the investors are making some nice profit for vacations and bonuses and what not, by selling shares as soon as the price goes even a little up. Even Holthaus is getting in on the action. This rollercoaster stock price action is good times for the millionaires.
 

gdansk

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Thoughts?
If it moves demand to inference from training then companies with inferencing hardware could be better off than previously assumed.

And economically there is strong evidence that making things more efficient generally increases consumption i.e. Jevons Paradox.

But the market reacting this way is good. AI valuation is excessive.
 
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coercitiv

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IMHO the market's reaction to Deepseek was more a "straw that broke a camel's back" type of situation. AI companies are burning through cash at alarming rates and have little to show for it in terms of plans to get revenue online. Progress slowed down, bills went up. There was probably a lot of accumulated tension in the market and Deepseek's reveal exacerbated all of it.

Hardware companies can give all the rational explanations they want for how cheaper training will increase demand in the long run, the market has behaved irrationally until now and this is a correction for the short term. Had they feared for long term future... the numbers would be orders of magnitude bleaker.
 

coercitiv

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An interesting alternate take on the current situation:
Shares of Nvidia fell by nearly 17 percent on Monday, cutting nearly $600 billion from the chipmaker’s market capitalization. Shares of Nvidia rival AMD fell 6 percent, while TSMC—the Taiwanese company that manufactures Nvidia’s chips—fell 12 percent. The selloff was widely attributed to the growing popularity of AI models from the Chinese company DeepSeek—especially R1, an open-weight competitor to OpenAI’s “reasoning” model o1.

But this explanation doesn’t make sense to me. DeepSeek’s models were trained using Nvidia chips, so it’s not obvious why DeepSeek’s success would be bad news for Nvidia. And it’s even harder to explain why it took a week for Wall Street to react to the January 20 release of R1.

A more plausible explanation is that someone tipped traders off to Donald Trump’s plans to slap tariffs on chips made in Taiwan—which Trump announced later in the day. I can’t prove this theory, but I think it fits the facts better than the DeepSeek theory. Interestingly, we didn’t see a second selloff in Nvidia or TSMC shares after Trump’s announcement, suggesting that markets had already “priced in” the news.

Obviously it's all speculation, but good to keep in mind nonetheless.
 

Thunder 57

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An interesting alternate take on the current situation:


Obviously it's all speculation, but good to keep in mind nonetheless.

I think the market has been looking for an excuse to sell off on AI knowing it was unsustainable, and DeepSeek gave them that excuse. I still see tariffs as more of a threat to get favorable treatment in the form of whatever he's looking for than something that would actually happen. Massive tariffs on Taiwan would piss a lot of people off when they want their new iphone, etc.
 

Geddagod

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Gelsinger trumpeting every milestone, every deliverable was a bit too much.

But how different is the new team, showing off notebooks with PTL, that won't ship for ~9 months?
The engineering milestone stuff was fine IMO. Even showing off notebooks with PTL, cool, whatever. It's the "rearview mirror" stuff that really bit him in the a** IMO. You can't possibly still be that cocky, even if it just an "act" for shareholders or something.
 

StefanR5R

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Via computerbase.de: Falcon Shores will be skipped; next stop: Jaguar Shores. (Maybe.)
Michelle Johnston Holthaus said:
Our AI opportunity is centered on solving our customers' most pressing challenges, particularly reducing compute costs and increasing efficiency. A one-size-fits-all approach will not suffice. Instead, we see clear opportunities to leverage our core and existing assets in new ways with the goal of delivering the most compelling total cost of ownership across this continuum.
I have heard this before in a different context.
 

Krteq

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Heh, how many designs/refreshes have been cancelled from Alder Lake to date? 4? 6?
 

Thunder 57

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No, he just published a memoir, which has him doing the interview circuit to generate publicity for it. With Intel's recent flailing, I guess the interviewer just decided to ask him for his take on it.

I'm going with that as to why it was brought up.
 
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