The only thing I'm using afterburner for is to see FPS, and some temps etc while gaming' so I think i'm going to delete afterburner. Is there any other app I can use while gaming to see fps, temps etc. just something small easy to use.
The only thing I'm using afterburner for is to see FPS, and some temps etc while gaming' so I think i'm going to delete afterburner. Is there any other app I can use while gaming to see fps, temps etc. just something small easy to use.That's probably what's happening. Afterburner is applying it's own settings. You can check this by disabling Afterburner on startup. Adrenaline also has an overlay you can use. But feel free to use either software to get the job done. I use Afterburner on an nVidia card in another PC. There was some possibility that Afterburner was going away since MSI wasn't able to pay the developer so I chose to use Adrenaline on my new PC.
Well if you plan to leave Adrenaline installed just use that. Turn it on with CTRL+SHIFT+O Here's the settings for it:The only thing I'm using afterburner for is to see FPS, and some temps etc while gaming' so I think i'm going to delete afterburner. Is there any other app I can use while gaming to see fps, temps etc. just something small easy to use.
Of course you can start fresh. No need to update the BIOS again, but you may want to either clear the CMOS or go into BIOS and set everything at default before moving forward.Ok question for you guys, I just have something going on that I can't figure out, it all started when I started getting that DP message, I know now there was a conflict between afterburner and adrenaline, adrenaline works better now that I deleted afterburner. but for whatever reason, that DP issue is messing thing up, I can't restart and get into bios, it will open the main bios screen, but is to big for the page and then when I click on anything or try to do something it freezes. So I'm thinking of doing a clean install, if that the right term, basically can i start over fresh lol, that way I can be a little more particular on what i install and set thing up, basically if i knew then what I no now lol. so is there any harm in doing that, and how would I do it, what would be the best way to do it, and do I need to do another bios update, or would i just start with installing windows.
Do you have the AutoScan turned on or off on the monitor? Adaptive Sync on or off?the monitor is an msi g272qpf e2 27 inch 180Hz,
out of the 2 option is one better then the other to clean it and start over or do end up with the same thing going either route,
good point about the bios setting it default.
edit, actually i'll just use usb I know that way as i just did it, and it was easy lol.
mine is not freezing, on start up it flashes the DP message, but I should also add it does with the HDMI port on both my new and old PC, when trying to get into the BIOS, I think its messing up the resolution,, causing the bios page to not look right and be distorted causing BIOS to freeze. I thinkCould be a defective displayport cable (I vaguely recall someone saying that replacing the cable solved their BIOS screen freeze issue).
Were you able to find the auto scan setting? It's under inputs I think. Try turning that off and test. Otherwise I have no idea.mine is not freezing, on start up it flashes the DP message, but I should also add it does with the HDMI port on both my new and old PC, when trying to get into the BIOS, I think its messing up the resolution,, causing the bios page to not look right and be distorted causing BIOS to freeze. I think
You can use DDU to remove everything. Maybe try a different driver version?So now that I'm running my old monitor, everything seem to be working as it should, except for adrenaline, it still not working right, not holding custom values, overlay freezing up. what course of action would you guys take to try and fix it , should I delete it and reinstall, driver and stuff on it are up to date, the only thing i'm thinking is on a normal uninstall, I don't believe it really removes everything, so if I reinstall would I end up in the same boat, or is that pretty my only option. thanks
Glad to hear you got everything sorted out with adrenaline and the monitor. In a lighter load like a game, only the curve optimizer offset would come into play. It makes sense you only saw a minor difference in power usage with a -5 offset. I wouldn't expect to be hitting 100W or 80C limits in games irrespective of the offset. Neither of the limits should be a factor at all when gaming. If you're satisfied with power usage, temps, and performance in games than there is no reason to dial in a negative offset. You might gain a bit clock speed and save a bit of power if you want to take the time to dial it in and properly stability test it. It's certainly not necessary, and is unlikely to give you a meaningful performance bump in games. Its totally fine to avoid it all together.Hey guys, just thought I mention how things are going lol.
first off I did do a clean install, and few of the app that were on there before never got put back on. there was a couple from MSI etc and I'm sure I had some conflicts etc, or something as things do seem much better now. However adrenaline still would not save my custom settings. After some more searching I came across this. after flowing the steps, I can now say its is saving everything.
https://community.amd.com/t5/pc-drivers-software/adrenalin-driver-settings-not-saving/m-p/686288
As far as the monitor issue, well that went back, no issues at the store, they have a 15 day return policy now matter what, so even if I just didn't like it they would have taken it back, but they did look at and though it was defective. ended up getting a Gigabyte GS27QA ( A for advanced) So far so good, much better color, $349 on for $209, so I even got $23 back lol.
Rigg, I never did any CPU undervolting this time around I had set every back to default before refresh, and just left it that way, I did enable EXPO to 6000hz but that was it. I didn't do CB test yet, But as far doing everything the same as what I was before, I'm really seeing not difference. In the one game I was playing,my CPU temp are pretty much the same, 65 ish, I did have it capped at 100w before and it was using 46 to 49 watts while playing, with it at default its now using 50-54 watts so not much difference. The only thing I did notice is when i downloaded another game today when it was initializing it and setting it up, took a couple minutes cpu was working harder, the CPU temps did run up to 90 for short period of time, but once playing it was only 60- 65. just some info if your curious.
thanks again very one, and hope you all have a great year
Thanks Rigg, your exactly right, my plan is to use it for a while see how it runs and understand how it preforms, temps etc all at stock. Now that I'm getting some baselines on how it runs, temps,FPS in games, power usage etc, I am going to revisit tweaking it. I should have done this the first because now I'll actually see and understand the differences.Glad to hear you got everything sorted out with adrenaline and the monitor. In a lighter load like a game, only the curve optimizer offset would come into play. It makes sense you only saw a minor difference in power usage with a -5 offset. I wouldn't expect to be hitting 100W or 80C limits in games irrespective of the offset. Neither of the limits should be a factor at all when gaming. If you're satisfied with power usage, temps, and performance in games than there is no reason to dial in a negative offset. You might gain a bit clock speed and save a bit of power if you want to take the time to dial it in and properly stability test it. It's certainly not necessary, and is unlikely to give you a meaningful performance bump in games. Its totally fine to avoid it all together.
When you first launch a game after install, or after a game update, it will compile shaders. As you noticed this is a heavy CPU load that pushed your CPU to 90C. I posted a few thoughts on this earlier. If compiling shaders (which won't be necessary very often) is likely to be the only time you run heavy workloads like this than you can certainly leave everything stock. If you don't care about optimizing it for a heavy multi core loads (since it sounds like you'll rarely be running these loads) you do not need bother with any lowered temp limits, power limits, or voltage offsets. I only suggested the temp limit because it's easy, and most people prefer that their CPUs not run that hot. As you've already seen while playing around with some limits, pushing it that hard doesn't really gain you very much extra performance.
Perhaps you should use it for a while and revisit tweaking settings later if you feel the need.
Hey everyone
in case you have any interest in this Rigg I'll send some numbers your way.
As you know my PC at stock did 19997 score on cinebench r23,
At -20 offset 85 temp limit and 85 watt limitm wha you suggest to try , my CB score is 18337. That seems like a fair bit of drop. BUT
At stock running anything tasking I was right to 95c, with my offset etc in place it ran about 58c so big difference in temp which we knew.
I used HWinfo64
I might try an run with the -20 offset, but bring the total watts up to 95 and then stock and run CB at each of those setting and see what I get, for temps and score, even if I get a better score on CB i'm not sure that will translate in any gaming performance. One thing I am going to try and do is debloat windows 11 a bit. Thats full of shit running in the background lol. This PC will only be used for gaming so I want as little on it as possible, I mean I don't even plan to surf the net on that PC.
Thanks for the info, So yeah your right that score of 18337 I would have has some stuff running in the back ground, like steam etc.I suggest you run no custom power limit until you establish how much power it will use with the stock power limit and an 80C - 85C temp limit. You need to isolate your power and temp limits when testing or you are chasing your tail trying to get useful information. There is no point in setting a temp limit if you set the power limit so low it doesn't come anywhere near the temp limit. The inverse is also true. If you set a super low temp limit (anything below 80C is bad idea) it won't reach a reasonably high power limit. Based on your data, a 58C temp limit (you don't need do this unless you're curious) would result in approximately 85W power usage in this CB23 workload.
The stock PPT of the 7700 (non X 65W TDP) is 88 watts. The 7700 got 18373 in a 10 minute run on a clean windows 11 test system in the HUB review. In that context your 85W score isn't horrible. Anything you have running at startup will reduce performance, and some apps like to do this by default after you install them, so you'll want to disable them in settings or task manager. I don't like unnecessary apps running at startup anyway, but you certainly don't want them running when trying to establish a performance baseline. You also need to close HWiNFO to get your best score. When I'm playing around with settings, I usually launch Cinebench and HWiNFO, then do a few runs to see how it's behaving. I then close HWiNFO and run it a few more times until my single run score is consistent. After that I run a 10 minute loop and compare the score to both a score from a HUB review on techspot and my own stock setting score.
Hey Rigg,@NS99 - At this point I think you're armed with the info you need to tweak your system how you see fit. I'm not sure I can offer much more advice for you besides what I might want to do if it were my system and I was in the mood to tweak it.
On the CPU side my approach would be to set the temp limit to 80-85C, manually OC the memory, manually dial in the SOC/memory controller voltages, and add a 200 MHz max boost. I wouldn't bother with the CO offset or limit the power below stock PPT. This would all require extensive memory and CPU stress testing in various types of loads to ensure stability. It's not for the feint of heart. Especially on the memory side. That's really the only good way to increase gaming performance, and unless you are severely CPU limited, it isn't going to make a significant difference regardless. At minimum I'd enable EXPO, set the temp limit, and dial in the the SOC/Memory Controller voltages. Either way you still need to stress test.
On the GPU side, I'd undervolt it, lower the power limit as far as it will go, and leave the clocks stock. That should drastically increase efficiency over stock setting while still achieving slightly better than stock performance. At least it did on my 7900XT at 1080 mV. I'd also limit FPS to the monitor's refresh rate (unless playing competitive shooters) to further increase efficiency. The 7900XT is horribly inefficient above stock clocks which is why I'm not a fan of overclocking it. 350W is terrible at this level of performance IMO.
Alternatively you could load up EXPO, slap an 85C temp limit on it, leave the GPU stock, limit FPS to refresh rate, go play some effing games, and stop effing worrying about.
I totally relate to the desire to tweak everything until it can't be tweaked anymore with a new system. At the end of the day there just isn't that much real world performance left on the table with modern hardware. Stressing over every setting in autistic detail is mostly pointless. The only reason to do it is because you enjoy the tweaking process itself. The amount of performance you gain really isn't worth the time and effort to tweak the system to max performance at the edge of stability.
You're welcome, I'm happy to share my thoughts, and I'm glad to hear you found them helpful. It sounds like you have it running how you want and all the gremlins are sussed out. There's certainly nothing wrong with getting a feel for how a new PC works and how it responds to settings changes, I just didn't want you to obsess over it too much. As someone who also tends to overthink things, and wants to understand how things work, I can relate. I just didn't want you to go too far down the rabbit hole at the expense of enjoying the system.Hey Rigg,
thank you for the great post.
I think I'm going to stay pat on where I'm at now, -20 offset, 85 temp limit and stock PPT. It may not be ideal, but it seem to be giving me everything I wanted. lower temps with about the same performance, and it seems very stable from everything I ran. From what I'd gain in power saving,( from what I see) undervolting or lowering the PPT isn't really worth it for what I'm doing. In the games I'm playing the CPU is running 40ish watts.
The only other thing I have done is enabled EXPO to 6000 Hz
The issue is I'm not a computer guy, the last pc I built or upgraded was in like 2018 lol, But when I start a project like this my engineer brain kicks in and I want to know /learn everything about it, how to tweak and set everything to fine tune and see what it all does. But in reality I have no need for all that. This PC will be only for some games, nothing else not even surfing the net, and it will only be used during the winter months when I have extra time on my hands.
As far as the GPU, I had it as low as 1060 mV never seen any issues, I seen guys on you tube have them as low as 1025 mV but I'm not going to push that, I had already brought it up to 1080 mV and that is where I've been running it, with stock clock . I never changed the power limit or VRAM settings either, But last night after reading this I dropped the power limit ( using adrenaline) -10% that was the max. It dropped the wattage by 50-60 watts, bring it down under 300 watts while playing anyhow.
I have my monitor set at 180 fresh rate, I never hit that in FPS yet in any of the games I'm playing, the one game I've been mostly playing is capped at 144 FPS and hell let loose is at 60 unless manually changed. I had HDR enabled in my display settings, the GPU went from 24 watts idle to 85 watts, I wasn't long shutting that off lol.
I also play everything 1440P on high, do you mind me asking what setting you use? 1440 or 4k etc.
Again Rigg, thank you very much for all your help and getting me to where I'm at, I truly appreciate the help.