CEO of UnitedHealthcare shot and killed, possibly assassinated.

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dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
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Look I'm all for thinking outside the box, and you could argue as inefficient as our "system" is, you could improve it in a litany of ways if you could only resolve the political gridlock.

But what you proposed is an arbitrary 15% profit margin on the thousands of inputs* in the health care system. If that's your proposed solution, it's total fantasy land. I don't even know how the federal government would implement that, and how it even fits into our legal and economic frameworks. But first you'd have to eliminate the entire GOP and conservative political class to want to implement something like that.

If your original proposal is simply to cap the profit margin of health insurance companies, then @IronWing already responded that costs to consumers will not go down. There's profiteering at all levels of health care in the U.S., and some resultant fraud. Insurance companies are a handy (and deserving) scapegoat and UHC is the worst of the worst. But just capping their net profits doesn't magically fix the problem. The deniers insurers alone aren't doubling our total medical spending. This is not to condone UHC's business model, which is essentially to fuck over some members so that shareholders can make more money.

* A lot of these inputs are people, doctors, nurses, admins, etc. How do you regulate that?
The ACA attempted to cap Insurance profits but it ends up being counterproductive. There are tons of loopholes to turn profits into something else to skirt the limits. Then when those limits are still a problem they just work with the whole corrupt system to raise prices across the board. A procedure that used to cost $1000 would only yield $150 so make the whole thing cost $10,000. Hospital wins. Insurance wins. Regular Americans lose.

Every healthcare debate should be shut down immediately by pointing out every other country does it for half the cost with better results. No matter what the opponent says, the response should just be "every other country does it for half the cost with better results" over and over. 10 years of the media doing its job and every one of us doing our job would get us there. Fox News ditto heads have no counter to it.
 

esquared

Forum Director & Omnipotent Overlord
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Oct 8, 2000
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UHC still making news..

UnitedHealthcare Calls Doctor Mid Surgery To Ask If Her Patient’s Overnight Stay Is necessary.​



"During a breast reconstruction procedure, Dr Potter said she was contacted in the operating room and told that a UHC rep had called and needed to speak to her right away about the patient she was operating on. She scrubbed out and gave the "gentleman," a call — only to be questioned about the woman's diagnosis and "whether her inpatient stay should be justified."

"I was like, 'do you understand that she's asleep right now and she has breast cancer?'" Potter recounted. "And the gentleman said, 'actually, I don't — that's a different department that would know that information.'"
 

Pens1566

Lifer
Oct 11, 2005
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UHC still making news..

UnitedHealthcare Calls Doctor Mid Surgery To Ask If Her Patient’s Overnight Stay Is necessary.​



"During a breast reconstruction procedure, Dr Potter said she was contacted in the operating room and told that a UHC rep had called and needed to speak to her right away about the patient she was operating on. She scrubbed out and gave the "gentleman," a call — only to be questioned about the woman's diagnosis and "whether her inpatient stay should be justified."

"I was like, 'do you understand that she's asleep right now and she has breast cancer?'" Potter recounted. "And the gentleman said, 'actually, I don't — that's a different department that would know that information.'"

I kind of don't have any sympathy for anyone that works for that company. They deserve whatever happens to them.

And that doctor should really be reviewed for leaving their patient on the table to take a call.
 

sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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I kind of don't have any sympathy for anyone that works for that company. They deserve whatever happens to them.

And that doctor should really be reviewed for leaving their patient on the table to take a call.
The last part seems like part of the Job in the US system.
 

uallas5

Golden Member
Jun 3, 2005
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More UHC hijinks, $165M in fines for misleading customers in Mass.


The companies — HealthMarkets Inc. and two subsidiaries, The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company and HealthMarkets Insurance Agency — violated regulations by misleading customers into buying additional health insurance and misrepresenting agents as neutral parties

“Notably, in light of evidence that the defendants intentionally targeted ‘vulnerable consumers who could least afford their products,’ the Court found that the companies’ deceptive conduct was ‘particularly egregious,’” the AG’s office said.
 

dainthomas

Lifer
Dec 7, 2004
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UHC still making news..

UnitedHealthcare Calls Doctor Mid Surgery To Ask If Her Patient’s Overnight Stay Is necessary.​



"During a breast reconstruction procedure, Dr Potter said she was contacted in the operating room and told that a UHC rep had called and needed to speak to her right away about the patient she was operating on. She scrubbed out and gave the "gentleman," a call — only to be questioned about the woman's diagnosis and "whether her inpatient stay should be justified."

"I was like, 'do you understand that she's asleep right now and she has breast cancer?'" Potter recounted. "And the gentleman said, 'actually, I don't — that's a different department that would know that information.'"

If I found out my job was nothing but making calls like that I'd quit before lunch my first day.

I kind of don't have any sympathy for anyone that works for that company. They deserve whatever happens to them.

And that doctor should really be reviewed for leaving their patient on the table to take a call.

Yeah, unless whoever is calling is actively dying they can wait.
 
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pcgeek11

Lifer
Jun 12, 2005
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UHC still making news..

UnitedHealthcare Calls Doctor Mid Surgery To Ask If Her Patient’s Overnight Stay Is necessary.​



"During a breast reconstruction procedure, Dr Potter said she was contacted in the operating room and told that a UHC rep had called and needed to speak to her right away about the patient she was operating on. She scrubbed out and gave the "gentleman," a call — only to be questioned about the woman's diagnosis and "whether her inpatient stay should be justified."

"I was like, 'do you understand that she's asleep right now and she has breast cancer?'" Potter recounted. "And the gentleman said, 'actually, I don't — that's a different department that would know that information.'"


It is also disturbing that she left the surgery to take the call. Like WTF?
 

outriding

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The government needs to start auditing false declined claims. If they go over a certain percentage starting imposing large fines say 100k per instance
 
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Feb 4, 2009
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It should be criminal negligence at the very least IMO, but, should not just apply to the CEO, should apply to all co-conspirators (IMO entire board of directors.)
Oh I agree and straight to the IT director or Director of sales or whatever.
Shit when I worked in telecom there were things that could lead to personal fines and/or criminal penalties
Basically anyone who knowingly knows what’s going on is wrong.
 
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