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Greenman

Lifer
Oct 15, 1999
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And people refusing to wear masks played no part in it?
Don't know, don't care. Covid came out of Wuhan China. Some people believe it started in a wet market, some people believe it came from the Wuhan covid research lab that was doing gain of function work on the virus.
I know how I'd bet on the source.
 
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K1052

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Aug 21, 2003
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Don't know, don't care. Covid came out of Wuhan China. Some people believe it started in a wet market, some people believe it came from the Wuhan covid research lab that was doing gain of function work on the virus.
I know how I'd bet on the source.

You know I think the same sources that led to SARS (2002) and the original H5N1 (1997) human outbreaks are more than likely the origin of COVID-19. If people want to sanction China for something they should make them shut all these down.
 

manly

Lifer
Jan 25, 2000
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No, but a sufficiently funded and adequately equipped fire department as well as equivalent federal agencies could have potentially saved more lives and more property.
Fucking nonsense commentary. More money doesn't contain 100 mph winds.
Also LAFD actually got about $50M more funding than a year ago; quit propagating talking points pushed by MAGAts.
What federal agencies exist to fight fires in cities?
 

Brovane

Diamond Member
Dec 18, 2001
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Fucking nonsense commentary. More money doesn't contain 100 mph winds.
Also LAFD actually got about $50M more funding than a year ago; quit propagating talking points pushed by MAGAts.
What federal agencies exist to fight fires in cities?
No money doesn't contain 100 mph winds. However cutting back and thinning chaparral through either controlled burns or with equipment does cost money. From my viewpoint in Southern CA, the CA government and the Federal government at all level's hasn't done a great job of thinning the fuel for this fires. It is slowly getting better but we will continue to see these types of fires until the government gets serious about removing fuel before the fires.
 
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BoomerD

No Lifer
Feb 26, 2006
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No money doesn't contain 100 mph winds. However cutting back and thinning chaparral through either controlled burns or with equipment does cost money. From my viewpoint in Southern CA, the CA government and the Federal government at all level's hasn't done a great job of thinning the fuel for this fires. It is slowly getting better but we will continue to see these types of fires until the government gets serious about removing fuel before the fires.
When you consider what the chaparral actually is...and how much of it there is...cutting it back and thinning it out is a nearly impossible task.
 
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MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
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One thing these California wildfires have taught us, is that most Democrats have learned nothing from the election loss or anything in general.

Instead of calling out the Trump party attacks on DEI during this wildfire tragedy as disgusting and racist, in simple plain and not over the top language, they are saying, oh don't politicize things. Why can't they just fucking speak plainly and start calling a spade a spade? What a bunch of feckless muppets.
 

Brovane

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Dec 18, 2001
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When you consider what the chaparral actually is...and how much of it there is...cutting it back and thinning it out is a nearly impossible task.

Then you need to do controlled burns. I thin stuff all the time around my property which would be considered chaparral. Some places in CA have had good success with using goats to think back chaparral. It either needs to be thinned out or you going to have more of these types of fires which cost billions of dollar.
 

hal2kilo

Lifer
Feb 24, 2009
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Then you need to do controlled burns. I thin stuff all the time around my property which would be considered chaparral. Some places in CA have had good success with using goats to think back chaparral. It either needs to be thinned out or you going to have more of these types of fires which cost billions of dollar.
I need goats for my side lot. Damn, blackberries and scotch broom. I hate using herbicides, but it takes over otherwise.
 

Brovane

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Dec 18, 2001
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I need goats for my side lot. Damn, blackberries and scotch broom. I hate using herbicides, but it takes over otherwise.

I have found a Dewalt 60V String Timmer with the Brushcutter attachment works wonders for getting through heavy stuff.
 

outriding

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Feb 20, 2002
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pcgeek11

Lifer
Jun 12, 2005
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So woods has backpedaled on his house was burnt down


Wtf

I could not believe he could be more of a d-bag. But again don’t underestimate the stupidity of the maga clan

He along with tens of thousand of others thought their houses had burned to the ground. He managed to get into the area and found it wasn't burned down and this pisses you off?

How does that make him a d-bag? We should be happy that some peoples (regardless of who they are) houses survived this hell storm.

Lord some people never cease to amaze me at what assholes people can be. I for one am Happy for those that didn't loose everything /anything. But then again I don't hate people just because they have different beliefs than I.
 

outriding

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He along with tens of thousand of others thought their houses had burned to the ground. He managed to get into the area and found it wasn't burned down and this pisses you off?

How does that make him a d-bag? We should be happy that some peoples (regardless of who they are) houses survived this hell storm.

Lord some people never cease to amaze me at what assholes people can be. I for one am Happy for those that didn't loose everything /anything. But then again I don't hate people just because they have different beliefs than I.


Maybe before he opens is trap and say things like loosing a house is like loosing a kid and the other dozen or so posts he has made he should have made sure first
 

Ashberto

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Feb 26, 2022
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Just an observation from Australia another fire prone country. In an area known for savage fires, cutting back on the FD seems a bit stupid and a recipe for disaster. Saw a news report that a large number of emergency equipment (trucks), are sitting in a boneyard waiting for maintenance, with not enough staff to maintain the fleet.

Amazing that the world's biggest economy cannot fund it's essential services.
 

Greenman

Lifer
Oct 15, 1999
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Just an observation from Australia another fire prone country. In an area known for savage fires, cutting back on the FD seems a bit stupid and a recipe for disaster. Saw a news report that a large number of emergency equipment (trucks), are sitting in a boneyard waiting for maintenance, with not enough staff to maintain the fleet.

Amazing that the world's biggest economy cannot fund it's essential services.
Can not and will not are two different things.
 

burninatortech4

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Jan 29, 2014
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Just an observation from Australia another fire prone country. In an area known for savage fires, cutting back on the FD seems a bit stupid and a recipe for disaster. Saw a news report that a large number of emergency equipment (trucks), are sitting in a boneyard waiting for maintenance, with not enough staff to maintain the fleet.

Amazing that the world's biggest economy cannot fund it's essential services.
We can actually - we just choose to waste it on military contractors who don't complete work on time or on budget (and many other things).

This is entirely self inflicted. Both parties are guilty as hell.

For example - the US Forest Service is so budget constrained right now that they laid off ALL 1039's (temporary seasonal workers) late last year. This included fire fighters.

 

BonzaiDuck

Lifer
Jun 30, 2004
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Y'all can flame about the politics and Trump, GOP or anyone else attempting to "politicize" the disaster. You can talk about building materials and building standards.

But this was unprecedented. We have Santa Ana winds every year. But 100 mph winds blowing out of the San Gabriels? Nobody would've imagined a firestorm consuming so much of nicely-pruned suburban neighborhoods and urban landscape.

What concerns me most at the moment is the total lack of rainfall over the last entire year, or since rainfall just "ended" last year. We're headed toward the spring and summer here. Last time I went up to Idyllwild to buy a hamburger dinner there -- last spring I think it was -- the temperature was 98F. Will there be any sort of wind blowing this summer?

People tell me my condo development on this hillside is not likely to be consumed in a firestorm. I don't know. But we're looking at serious stress in the home insurance market. I'm already paying twice what I paid the previous year.

I thought about this over the last few years -- climate change, whether I wanted to migrate to cooler wetter locations, and so forth. Not so easy for me now.

My family arrived here from central Illinois in 1958. Nobody could've imagined a huge area of northwestern LA burning to cinders in a few days. Back then, we thought we were living in paradise. Now? It does not seem so . . .

One thing I like to dream about is the weather in 1969 and early 1970. It began raining in mid-November. It continued raining, on and off and frequently. In January, our city -- the ground -- was just soaked, and the rain drooled from the sky without end.

Now, they talk about So-Cal getting more "monsoonal" weather -- when there's an El Nino. But this year, we're now in a La Nina. We're in a drought.
 

Ashberto

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Feb 26, 2022
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Can not and will not are two different things.
Something in the cities budget is forcing these kind of stupid decisions. This is one of the biggest cities in the states, not a small town where understandably budgets are tighter.

This isn't a city beatification program, painting the cities garbage bins, it's essential services, how can this not be funded?
 
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burninatortech4

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Jan 29, 2014
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Y'all can flame about the politics and Trump, GOP or anyone else attempting to "politicize" the disaster. You can talk about building materials and building standards.

But this was unprecedented. We have Santa Ana winds every year. But 100 mph winds blowing out of the San Gabriels? Nobody would've imagined a firestorm consuming so much of nicely-pruned suburban neighborhoods and urban landscape.

What concerns me most at the moment is the total lack of rainfall over the last entire year, or since rainfall just "ended" last year. We're headed toward the spring and summer here. Last time I went up to Idyllwild to buy a hamburger dinner there -- last spring I think it was -- the temperature was 98F. Will there be any sort of wind blowing this summer?

People tell me my condo development on this hillside is not likely to be consumed in a firestorm. I don't know. But we're looking at serious stress in the home insurance market. I'm already paying twice what I paid the previous year.

I thought about this over the last few years -- climate change, whether I wanted to migrate to cooler wetter locations, and so forth. Not so easy for me now.

My family arrived here from central Illinois in 1958. Nobody could've imagined a huge area of northwestern LA burning to cinders in a few days. Back then, we thought we were living in paradise. Now? It does not seem so . . .

One thing I like to dream about is the weather in 1969 and early 1970. It began raining in mid-November. It continued raining, on and off and frequently. In January, our city -- the ground -- was just soaked, and the rain drooled from the sky without end.

Now, they talk about So-Cal getting more "monsoonal" weather -- when there's an El Nino. But this year, we're now in a La Nina. We're in a drought.
It's unprecedented, yes. And it's climate change. Both can be true.

A combination of human caused climate change, next to zero fuels management in the wildland urban interface, worse than normal winds, and mega-drought.

Anyone who says otherwise is shilling and/or has their head so far in the sand they're taking it up the *ss.
 

BonzaiDuck

Lifer
Jun 30, 2004
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It's unprecedented, yes. And it's climate change. Both can be true.

A combination of human caused climate change, next to zero fuels management in the wildland urban interface, worse than normal winds, and mega-drought.

Anyone who says otherwise is shilling and/or has their head so far in the sand they're taking it up the *ss.
The Elected One talking about "the worthless fish" or smelt, and the nonsense and nonexistent "water restoration" initiative. It's an irritant added to sobering disaster news.
 
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